Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x08 - "The Elysian Kingdom"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, Jun 22, 2022.

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  1. LaxScrutiny

    LaxScrutiny Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I think it was. If it hadn't happened at all, M'Benga wouldn't have known what the hell happened to his daughter. Making her an adult allowed us to acknowledge she wasn't doing this as a child, but as a being with mature agency. As I wrote above, I'd have been happier if it had been some strange phenomena (such in WNMHGB) rather than an unknown and untrusted alien (imagine if she'd hooked up with Trelane), but c'est la vie.
     
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  2. Captrek

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    Of course. They would have had to have done it that way on TOS, for budgetary reasons.
     
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  3. Argosy

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    @ LaxScrutiny

    That was the leap of faith which for me would have made the decision all the more powerful. He’d spent his every waking moment trying to solve this and then he just had to let it go. Maybe the writers were trying to tie it into what it’s like to live with someone who’s terminally ill. It dominates your every moment - awake or asleep and then suddenly, it’s gone.

    We’d seen in the moments M’Benga had spent with his daughter that she was getting restless; the situation was taking a toll on them both. I think that formed the foundations for a mature discourse between father and daughter and clearly the sentience was powerful enough that it could have caused them all great harm if it had wanted to, so I didn’t really worry about the issue of trust. So for me, I didn’t need that extra bit tacked on the end, but it’s clear we all took different things from it and that’s cool. I’m glad the ending worked better for you. It wasn’t a deal breaker for me. Honestly I would have preferred a more grounded resolution to this storyline than ‘god alien does M’Benga a solid’, but hey-ho!
     
  4. LaxScrutiny

    LaxScrutiny Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Thing is, there was no decision. Not at all on M'Benga's part, it was out of his hands, and the alternative was his daughter ending her existence, so the child didn't have much of a choice. The entity wasn't a part of the story until the last few minutes, a literal deus ex machina.

    As far as it "working for me," it didn't. I'm not sure how many more ways I need to word that.
     
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  5. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    That’s not true. There were hints as to the entities existence throughout and we heard “Boltzmann Brain” way before the last few minutes.
     
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  6. Serveaux

    Serveaux Mediocre Old White Man Premium Member

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    Yep.
     
  7. Serveaux

    Serveaux Mediocre Old White Man Premium Member

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    No, if I needed all that t-crossing and i-dotting in fiction I'd have never gotten into Trek at all.
     
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  8. Richard S. Ta

    Richard S. Ta Commodore Commodore

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    Just thinking on it, but the entity was brought up pretty early on by Hemmer, when he said it was unpleasant to communicate with it. It was seeded very well. Pretty much the opposite of a deus et machina, ie: something that just turns up out of the blue and solves everything.

    Then there's the fact that the entity didn't solve everything. It was a pyrrhic victory for M'Benga who still essentially lost his daughter in the process of saving her.

    I like that we saw Rukiya grown up. It's a great shorthand just to let us know that despite M'Benga's pain and sacrifice, she's having a whale of a time and it was worth it.

    It's a funny one this. Maybe I was too harsh a page back. I did find parts of it fell dead flat but the parts that didn't made it into something special. More than any other episode this season I find my thoughts returning to this one. I suspect on a rewatch it will grow on me, but not yet. Too much other stuff to watch.
     
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