Magee-class, USS Shran.
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i'll admit that of the five there, the one i'm most excited about is probably the ugliest:
i just think it's so unique for a federation ship.
That’s the Shran Class right? Someone in ship design must really hate him to name it after him.
Perhaps it incorporates some Andorian design influence? Those nacelles do bear a measure of resemblance to those of Shran's own Kumari...
-MMoM
I still don't know how you get from the centre of the saucer to the edges with those warp nacelles in the way.
you go above them.
Could you please draw a diagram.
If people can move between the hulls of the Oberth or up into the Miranda's weapons pod, they can easily traverse the Magee's nacelle region, either via multi-axial turbo shafts or inter-ship transporting.
What I find strange is that the nacelles are almost fully integrated into the main hull, which is generally accepted as being quite dangerous due to the extremely deleterious effects warp fields have on carbon-based life (IIRC there was a reference to this in the old TNG Technical Manual). It is for this reason that almost all nacelles' locations are outside and away from the habitable areas of the ship and on pylons. The Defiant's layout could be rationalized by its nacelles being the farthest out on the hull and, thus, highly shielded. The Magee's configuration, however, presents a problem for its occupants. I definitely wouldn't want to be assigned to one of thos, even if it was named after a cool probably-dead Andorian captain.
In other news, the Princeton and Eyemorg ship arrived yesterday. The Princeton's accompanying magazine states that the Niagara class was unique in that it was the only type of Starfleet vessel which had three engines, which is incorrect - DS9's Hutzel was the other one.
What I find strange is that the nacelles are almost fully integrated into the main hull, which is generally accepted as being quite dangerous due to the extremely deleterious effects warp fields have on carbon-based life (IIRC there was a reference to this in the old TNG Technical Manual). It is for this reason that almost all nacelles' locations are outside and away from the habitable areas of the ship and on pylons. The Defiant's layout could be rationalized by its nacelles being the farthest out on the hull and, thus, highly shielded. The Magee's configuration, however, presents a problem for its occupants. I definitely wouldn't want to be assigned to one of thos, even if it was named after a cool probably-dead Andorian captain.
In other news, the Princeton and Eyemorg ship arrived yesterday. The Princeton's accompanying magazine states that the Niagara class was unique in that it was the only type of Starfleet vessel which had three engines, which is incorrect - DS9's Hutzel was the other one.
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That was part of Jefferies' original conception behind the scenes, but like Probert and Roddenberry's "rules" about line of sight and even pairs, it was never actually established in canon, and in fact was implicitly contradicted by it on numerous occasions. (Unless I'm forgetting some reference to it somewhere.)
In "The Catwalk" (ENT), it was deadly to be inside the nacelles while the warp system was active, but they were heavily shielded relative to the outside with casings of osmium alloy. And by the time of "One Of Our Planets Is Missing" (TAS), they could be safely entered when engaged.
-MMoM
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they obviously designed a lot of these ships with an eye for “doing something different” (commendable), rather than in-unverse logic (lamentable). however, maybe only the parts that stick out the back are actually components of the warp drive and everything else is habitable, hence the windows.
Only of you want your testicles to drop off, or suffer a slower version of what killed Kirk and Spock in Into Darkness and Wrath of Khan.
If you can put warp nacelles inside the hull It renders the shape of the Enterprise and 90% of Federation ships pointless. But I guess we're already there.
But the sources of dangerous radiation there weren't the nacelles, but rather other components that were designed to be inside the ship anyway.
There could still be any number of potential reasons for that other than the nacelles themselves being directly harmful—just as there could be reasons for favoring evenly-paired nacelles, even though it's obviously not a strict requirement. For instance, it might help create a more stable or balanced warp field, making for a smoother ride, or a more even power consumption curve, or anything you like, really...
-MMoM
Both of those instances were due to disastrous attack. Under normal circumstances, both areas would be safe to use.
Imagine the USS Shran in a space battle. A torpedo hits the saucer near the nacelle housing.
"Microfracture on deck 4 nacelle housing! Everyone in the saucer has just suffered fatal radiation exposure."
I also dispute the warp core/energizer chamber/whatever being safe for Kirk or Spock without radiation suits even during optimal conditions.
Or obsolete.
Perhaps that was the in-universe idea. To use material science to improve shielding the harmful components, so that they wouldn’t have to be placed away from the main hull.
Maybe it’s the design aesthetic or principle of a member species.
Either way, the tech didn’t pan out, hence no other class adopting such a composition.
David Combe explains on Facebook why the August deliveries in the UK haven’t materialised:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eaglemossstartrekfangroup/permalink/2138975723092426/
In short, remember how they had a warehouse change in April? They now have another warehouse change. Combe proposes the UK might get their August deliveries together with the September shipment. However, there’s no concrete reason for people also missing the July shipment.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/eaglemossstartrekfangroup/permalink/2138975723092426/
In short, remember how they had a warehouse change in April? They now have another warehouse change. Combe proposes the UK might get their August deliveries together with the September shipment. However, there’s no concrete reason for people also missing the July shipment.
But that's exactly what they did for the Defiant. It was a different century but it's a similar situation, the vast majority of ships had the nacelles away from the main hull and then one comes along that's like "My nacelles are inside next to the crew quarters!".
It could be that placing the nacelles away from the hull isn't necessary (was it ever stated as a safety measure in canon?), maybe it just makes maintenance easier if they can simply open the nacelle from every side or disconnect the entire nacelle without much hassle.
The US also changed operations a little bit - one of my DeLorean parts was defective. When I called their help desk I discovered that they were now located in Alabama! They must have gotten rid of their Pennsylvania office a while back due to all the customer dissatisfaction. I asked her about it and she said she didn't even know they had a PA office, which I found a little odd. Nonetheless she was an ass-ton more helpful than anyone I had talked to before in the previous four to five years of being a subscriber, so I'm chalking this one up as a good thing.
In fact, I've had very little problems/complaints in the past year. Things have been going fairly smooth from my POV. Methinks that Eaglemoss finally got the picture and made some real positive changes to their company culture and architecture here in the 'States.
In other news, just got an email this morning saying the XL E-A is on its way. Joy everlasting! Far more interested in the Reliant but we take the bad with the good on occasion, I guess...
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In the UK, Borg probe and Arctic One are being delivered today.
Interestingly, the Borg probe mag suggests 1) this probe is the smallest Borg vessel of the 24thC, thus discarding Hugh’s scout ship.
And 2) that Voyager instigated it’s discovery by the Borg probe in order to disable it and steal the transwarp coil. I always thought the probe just came across Voyager by chance.
Interestingly, the Borg probe mag suggests 1) this probe is the smallest Borg vessel of the 24thC, thus discarding Hugh’s scout ship.
And 2) that Voyager instigated it’s discovery by the Borg probe in order to disable it and steal the transwarp coil. I always thought the probe just came across Voyager by chance.
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