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Star Trek star maps using Gaia star position data

Unless we use the "Delta Vega" fudge factor and decide that even when the Milky Way in Trek is the same as ours, the folks there named and numbered their stars differently...

Of course, the Trek Milky Way could also simply be different.

As for the supernova blast radius, it seems the wave that destroyed Romulus was low sublight - not only from the visuals of it hitting and pulverizing the planet, but also from the visuals showing how Spock attacked it from the outside while his small craft was at apparent sublight. A faster wavefront of death (either lightspeed gamma, or then FTL magico-radiation) might of course have preceded the pulverizing wave. How far this would reach before getting diluted to harmlessness (in case of gamma) or extinguished by magico-physics (in case of, say, delta) is then debatable.

Spock seemed to worry about galactic consequences. He may well have been considering the political angle - but he still thought it worth the while to stop the wavefront after Romulus had been pulverized and all the political consequences carved in stone. Perhaps what he did reduced the radius of the sphere of death. But perhaps it completely prevented any deaths outside the Romulan capital system, and all the following devastation came from the collapse of the government of the Star Empire. A sphere of supernova destruction is not quite explicit in PIC dialogue yet...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Wolf 359 is already the third-closest star system to ours, after Alpha Centauri and Barnard's Star, at 7.9 light years. As it's a real star, its position is non-negotiable, except as astronomical data improves.
How does that negate my comment?
 
How does that negate my comment?

Oh, sorry, were you responding to publiusr's musing about an "astronomy-free" reinvention? In that case, there'd be no point even using a real star name like Wolf 359. That'd be like inventing an imaginary city and calling it Pittsburgh.
 
^It'd explain how we keep seeing "real" cities that doesn't look those cities, on TV....like how palm trees were visible in "suburban Maryland" or snow-capped mountains in shows set in Kansas. :lol:
 
Good point about Spock's red matter gambit being meant to save inhabited systems outside of Romulus/Remus' home system from the supernova wavefront. I had forgotten that implication.
 
It's one of the ways to make sense of the ambiguous events of the 2009 movie. A map showing a sphere of death X lightyears across would be fine, but it wouldn't necessarily help with any specific drama points. Even with X=1,000, we'd still fall far short of the kaboom really directly threatening "the galaxy". And with X=0.01, we still would have a decapitated Star Empire, no doubt soon shattered to factions given how it's a Romulan Star Empire, consisting of those folks who left Vulcan because they didn't want to give up their infighting ways...

Yet with Spock's intervention as speculated above, it would be X=1 AU, more or less.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Good point about Spock's red matter gambit being meant to save inhabited systems outside of Romulus/Remus' home system from the supernova wavefront. I had forgotten that implication.

Although I still can't figure out what the point is of using the red matter after the supernova already occurred. My best handwave is that the "black hole" was meant to orbit within the expanding cloud of superhot plasma and swallow up enough of it to diminish its density and heat and reduce the amount of radiation it generated, but that seems like putting a band-aid on an amputated limb.
 
Depending on the distances to and population levels of the nearby systems - which we still won't know unless/until those come up in some later story in whichever branch series - it could have been enough.
 
Hello again everyone,
I just wanted to say thanks again to everyone who’s taken a look at the maps, and an even bigger thanks to everyone who has posted. I’d hit a bit of a dead end with them, and wasn’t sure if there was anything I could change or take any further. The discussion here has pointed me in some new directions.

I’m in the middle of watching “Star Trek: Picard” and it’s interesting that it all seems to be unfolding in a particular part of space. Freecloud is definitely in the Alpha Doradus system, but I’ll have to wait and see if any of the rest of the “background” turns up in the actual show, since I didn’t spot anything else in “Stardust City Rag”. “Vashti” (in the “Quiris Sector”), “Fenris” and “Daimanta” all seem to be quite near each other, but are they also fairly close to Freecloud? I’m not sure that’ll be clarified, but I am getting intrigued by the idea of a “Picard” map of the space near Alpha Doradus.

In the meantime, I’ve convinced myself to go back and look much more systematically at the various candidates for “Bajor” and “Cardassia” in Gaia DR2. Even if I don’t change my mind, at least it’ll be on the basis that I’m sure I can’t find anything better.

Best wishes,
Timon
 
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