Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[Char Kais]

It was probably hard for Discovery to have a clearly defined chief engineer without having a clearly defined engine room.

The engine room was clearly defined..

To my memory, we never actually saw Main Engineering. What we saw throughout the series was an engineering lab, or something to that effect.

This is the engine room, with the warp core, of the Discovery:

It's ridiculously large
For scale: These are people in the red box.

The warp core ejection tube:

They are, supposed to be, between the shuttle bay and the hull.
Non of this fits inside the secondary hull of the Discovery.

 

[Nerys Myk]

This is the engine room, with the warp core, of the Discovery:

It's ridiculously large
For scale: These are people in the red box.

The warp core ejection tube:

They are, supposed to be, between the shuttle bay and the hull.
Non of this fits inside the secondary hull of the Discovery.

We're supposed to believe a lot of things in Star Trek. This might not even be top ten.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Man, I legitimately blocked all that out of my mind. I remembered the turbolift chamber, but not this.

I've seen people actually arguing that they should remake TOS episodes, but scenes like this are what really need a second attempt.

 

[cooleddie74]

Gotta love how the 2324 Era star map in this movie shows a Demilitarized Zone between the Federation and the Cardassian Union that won't exist for another 46 years.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Gotta love how the 2324 Era star map in this movie shows a Demilitarized Zone between the Federation and the Cardassian Union that won't exist for another 46 years.

That we know of.

 

[cooleddie74]

No, this was just a mistake. The graphic exists independent of the rest of the story so it would still have been wrong had the writing actually been good. But, you know, Trek snafu. It happens.

 

[Nerys Myk]

No, this was just a mistake. The graphic exists independent of the rest of the story so it would still have been wrong had the writing actually been good. But, you know, Trek snafu. It happens.

For sure.
The graphics department is often a little "quick on the trigger".

 

[cooleddie74]

It was actually a pretty slick and colorful star map. Shame they screwed it up.

 

[HotRod]

Trek snafu.

My favourite kind.

 

[cooleddie74]

Also the best Sid & Marty Krofft character of its period.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Also the best Sid & Marty Krofft character of its period.

Not Trekkiepoo?

 

[cooleddie74]

You don't wanna know what alien substance powered the Magic Flute.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Ah the engineering section with a larger cavernous chamber than what is shown outside

How very DISCO of them.

 

[Tosk]

I'd forgotten about the ejection system where the core falls loosely, scrapping and impacting the walls as it goes.

 

[cooleddie74]

The less we think about the design of the interior of Discovery the happier we'll all be.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Gotta love how the 2324 Era star map in this movie shows a Demilitarized Zone between the Federation and the Cardassian Union that won't exist for another 46 years.

It reminds me of an old Enterprise novel where the Neutral Zone between the Federation and Klingons was actually originally between the Klingons and a mostly-crumbled old trade Federation. I struggled to understand the need to establish this until the Kobayashi Maru book a few novels later, when they needed a pre-Federation neutral zone for the "real" Kobayshi Maru to get stranded in.

 

[Farscape One]

The only thing I would argue that makes Section 31 worse than the other examples you mention is that - other than Georgiou (though this is stretching it) - there are no characters in the movie we give two shits about. There's so little excuse for us to care or be invested about the nothingness that's going on for ninety-five minutes.

The bad episodes in the other shows at least have characters that mean something to us, so there's some silver lining to be found. Or, in the case of Code of Honor, it's got a banger of a score by Fred Steiner - I can't say the same of Jeff Russo's work.

One other thing that makes SECTION 31 worse than pretty much all of those examples is that with those listed episodes, you can tell it's something that takes place in STAR TREK.

With this movie, it was extraordinarily generic. This could be virtually anything that is not related to STAR TREK and you wouldn't know the difference. It was little more than a Saturday night SyFy movie with a bigger budget.

 

[Trekker4747]

This is the engine room, with the warp core, of the Discovery:

It's ridiculously large
For scale: These are people in the red box.

The warp core ejection tube:

They are, supposed to be, between the shuttle bay and the hull.
Non of this fits inside the secondary hull of the Discovery.

There's "is the TOS bridge needlessly twisted 20-degrees?", " if Picard's quarters are on deck 9 why are his windows like that?" and then there's this.

The floor plan of the Brady House makes more sense.

 

[Citiprime]

There's "is the TOS bridge needlessly twisted 20-degrees?" ...

If I remember right, that's a consequence of the schematic for the Enterprise having the turbolift run through the centerline of the saucer, but not taking into account how the turbolift is offset to the back right of the practical set. So the only way to make it make sense is if the bridge sits at angle to the turbolift shaft.

This is the engine room, with the warp core, of the Discovery:

Beyond the TARDIS spaces in-between the tubolifts and some of the huge spaces that make the ship seem like its bigger on the inside than the outside, does anyone remember the Battlstar Galactica-like launch tubes for Starfleet landing pods that shows up ONLY in the season 2 premiere?

Beyond just the normal starship stuff, the episode establishes there's an entire system of separate launch tubes underneath the shuttle bay. After the season 2 premiere, they're forgotten about and never spoken of again.

 

[The Wormhole]

No, this was just a mistake. The graphic exists independent of the rest of the story so it would still have been wrong had the writing actually been good. But, you know, Trek snafu. It happens.

Yeah, the DMZ is even labeled on the galactic map in Admiral Clancy's office in Picard S1, despite the fact that map also has Cardassia within Federation borders. For some reason, the graphics people do not want to remove the DMZ from the star maps.