Star Trek-RM: Day of the Dove… Grading/Discussion

[Borjis]

When Kirk tells Kang to "Go to the Devil"

was the script originally to say "Go to hell?"

I must admit "go to the devil" sounds kinda funny.

Then Kang says they "have no devil" but then we see
Heklaar (sp?) in TNG's "Devil's Due"

 

[Maurice]

^^^Many religions on Earth have no devil. Who's to say Kang's clan (there's a series title) had no devil?

 

[AstroSmurf]

Actually Fek'lhr was not the devil. He was just the guardian of the gates of Gre'thor, the Klingon version of Hell. (Sort of like the hellistic version of Saint Peter, or the Klingon one anyway.)

 

[cooleddie74]

Borjis said:

When Kirk tells Kang to "Go to the Devil"

was the script originally to say "Go to hell?"

I must admit "go to the devil" sounds kinda funny.

Then Kang says they "have no devil" but then we see
Heklaar (sp?) in TNG's "Devil's Due"

Technically, Fek'lhr is just the dark spirit-creature guarding Gre'thor, the Klingon version of Hell. He's not the central evil spirit or source of all that is bad in Klingon mythology.

 

[Noname Given]

Finally saw the Klingon D7 destruction sequence, and I must say, who the hell is composing the SFX shot selection because they spend A LOT of screentime showing two phaser bursts from the 1701; and a vbery short time showing the D7 before the phaser hit blows it apart. The destruction sequence with all the parts flying apart and exploding was indeed nice and much work went into it; but I think one phaser burst close up of the 1701 with the rest showing more of a phaser hit on the assembled D7 just before it blows apart would have been a better way to go.

 

[Hambone]

Noname Given said:
Finally saw the Klingon D7 destruction sequence, and I must say, who the hell is composing the SFX shot selection because they spend A LOT of screentime showing two phaser bursts from the 1701; and a vbery short time showing the D7 before the phaser hit blows it apart. The destruction sequence with all the parts flying apart and exploding was indeed nice and much work went into it; but I think one phaser burst close up of the 1701 with the rest showing more of a phaser hit on the assembled D7 just before it blows apart would have been a better way to go.

The remastered effects have to fit in the "time" allowed for the originals. In this case, the visual effects had to match up with the sound effects and the music. In the original, when the Klingon ship explodes there is a dramatic musical "sting"; that's when the explosion must take place. The remastered version's explosion is no longer or shorter than the original.

 

[Noname Given]

Hambone said:

Noname Given said:
Finally saw the Klingon D7 destruction sequence, and I must say, who the hell is composing the SFX shot selection because they spend A LOT of screentime showing two phaser bursts from the 1701; and a vbery short time showing the D7 before the phaser hit blows it apart. The destruction sequence with all the parts flying apart and exploding was indeed nice and much work went into it; but I think one phaser burst close up of the 1701 with the rest showing more of a phaser hit on the assembled D7 just before it blows apart would have been a better way to go.

The remastered effects have to fit in the "time" allowed for the originals. In this case, the visual effects had to match up with the sound effects and the music. In the original, when the Klingon ship explodes there is a dramatic musical "sting"; that's when the explosion must take place. The remastered version's explosion is no longer or shorter than the original.

I have no problem with that and understand that; but the second phaser sound effect would have worked just as well with phasers shown hitting the Klingon D7 instead of a prolonged close up of the 1701 firing - keep the actual explosion right where it is to match the musical que - but have a longer shot beforehand of phaser beams striking the D7.

Given the EXCELLENT work done on The Doomsday Machine in giving us new and varied flyover visuals, while staying true to both the music ques and matching the existing phaser-bounce sound effects; it COULD have been done here too.

 

[cooleddie74]

Maybe the uncut, 50-minute-long DVD version of the Remastered episode has a much longer destruction sequence for Kang's D7. Remember, the ones we see on TV are syndicated, edited cuts of the final episode.