Star Trek Resort Being Built in Jordan
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In Jordan? Yeck. I'm sorry to hear that CBS and/or Paramount are so interested in profiting off of Star Trek that they'll allow it to be used to help a government that, while not the worst offender in the world, is certainly not a genuine democracy like the United States or Western Europe and has more than its fair share of rights abuses. That flies in the face of everything Star Trek stands for.
Maybe Star Trek will help spread the message of secular liberal democracy throughout the cosmos and to Jordan as well?
It would be interesting if this resort actually did incorporate the sociopolitical message of Trek, but of course it will just be all the whiz-bang stuff and zero content. Hard to deliver any message in a theme park other than WHEEEE!!!!
She'd make a good Romulan.
Politics, schmolitics. Have you seen what their queen looks like?
What’s Arabic for “babealicious”?
Why don't you ask her victims?
Considering how many stories involved Captain Kirk beaming down to a planet, discovering that it was ruled by a false god or tyrannical government, and then proceeding to overthrow that government or expose the false god, I'd say yes, Star Trek is, in part, about being willing to say that certain things are wrong and that you shouldn't do anything to help certain power structures.
The Prime Directive isn't about saying that every culture's values are equally valid; it's about saying you don't get to impose your values on others. No one's saying that the U.S. should invade Jordan and force them to turn to democracy, or that the U.S. shouldn't engage them diplomatically, or cooperate on mutual national security threats. But that's a far cry from saying that it's okay to do things that actively help them.
Well, yes, actually. There's a trade embargo that makes goods like Romulan Ale illegal in the Federation.
Why? Do business with France, do business with Britain, do business with Argentina, with Brazil, with India, with Japan, with South Korea, with Israel. Do business with a real democracy, not a hereditary dictatorship with a glossy magazine spread.
Politics, schmolitics. Have you seen what their queen looks like?
What’s Arabic for “babealicious”?
Why don't you ask her victims?
Hey I guessed right! Romulan in more than looks!
Are you kidding? Star Trek stands for overthrowing societies you don't approve of, horning in on their territory and when they object, accusing them of trying to hog up the entire galaxy! Who are they to tell us we can't explore (read: colonize) any old place we please?
It never ceases to amaze me that people don't recognize that cultural imperialism is part of the core assumption of Star Trek. Our way is the best way for the whole cosmos, we can be friends with old foes (Klingons) to the extent they adapt to us. When they don't adapt (Romulans), we maintain a hostile Cold War stance indefinitely, unless a temporary alliance becomes mutually beneficial (Dominion War) even if we have to maneuver them into it through subterfuge and outright murder (ITPM). But it's in the cause of the superior Federation way of life, which justifies everything.
And it only applies to pre-warp civilizations. It doesn't mean you need to accommodate or even tolerate warp-capable empires.
Wow this would be great if it materialises.
King Hussein of Jordon is a massive Star Trek fan, he was even in an episode of Voyager:
The King and Queen Rania are very enlightened leaders despite not being elected. They work very hard to improve relations between the East and West and Queen Rania is very committed to equality issues (as you would expect from Trek fans!).
King Hussein of Jordon is a massive Star Trek fan, he was even in an episode of Voyager:
The King and Queen Rania are very enlightened leaders despite not being elected. They work very hard to improve relations between the East and West and Queen Rania is very committed to equality issues (as you would expect from Trek fans!).
Then why are they throwing people in jail for exercising their right of free speech to criticize them? Why is torture such a recurrent problem in the Jordanian justice system? Why isn't the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan a liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy along the lines of the United Kingdom or the Kingdom of Spain? Why does King Abdullah have any political power whatsoever?
If King Abdullah were truly enlightened, he'd be looking to imitate His Majesty Juan Carlos I, King of Spain, who used his monarchical powers to transform Spain into a liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy, not looking to retain political power himself.
i'm not going to dispute anything you said because I am no expert. My point wasn't to lead into a debate on politics. Anyone can make the case that a leader is great or corrupt by cherry picking issues in that society.
I am a bit of a Queen Rania fan so I have been subjected to a biased viewpoint.
Either way, Jordan would be a wonderful place to visit and the people are very hospitable.
LL&P
Sas
I am a bit of a Queen Rania fan so I have been subjected to a biased viewpoint.
Either way, Jordan would be a wonderful place to visit and the people are very hospitable.
LL&P
Sas
My friend alerted me to this, apparently it won't be ready until 2014 so it gives us a chance to save up
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The picture doesn't much look like anything from Trek but it'll be interesting to see how this develops!
I like the part of the article where the author seems to think that Star Trek (2009) was a 'total disaster'. Do some research, man.
Then why did you make a political statement? Why did you praise people who are violating basic human rights?
Actually, I'm not accusing them of corruption. I have no reason to think King Abdullah and Queen Rania violate any laws whatsoever. How could they, when the King's word is the law?
I'm not accusing them of being corrupt, I'm stating facts: That they have denied to the Jordanian people the most basic rights of free speech and that they have not implemented a democracy.
And no king who hasn't turned his country into a democracy has any business being called "enlightened." Democracy is the most basic requirement of an enlightened leader.
The oh-so enlightened leaders of Jordan at work.
We should be so proud he's a Star Trek fan.
Kareem Fahim said:
We should be so proud he's a Star Trek fan.
It sound's more like they're going to design the place to look post-modern I-Pod 2001: A Space Odyssey Abrams trek generic like, and toss some Trek deltas and such around to make it "Trek" -- this makes next to no sense for a media tie-in attraction to be located in such a place. Star Trek's primary cash cow is the US. They couldn't keep the Experience going for more than a decade, but they're going to build a 1-billion dollar resort around the new movie in Jordan and have that be a commercial success?
What the Fuck?
What the Fuck?
