http://www.startrek.com/article/kirk-and-those-damn-dirty-apes
Nice. (hopefully Star Trek/Aliens next)
Nice. (hopefully Star Trek/Aliens next)
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Star Trek/Planet of the Apes crossover
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"The Primate Directive"? Ohhhhhhh....
Ohmigod, I was just joking about this in another thread.
And who am I kidding? I'm definitely going to have to check this out.
(More Apes/Trek connections: David Gerrold, who famously wrote "The Trouble with Tribbles," also wrote the novelization of Battle for the Planet of the Apes--which is much better than the movie, btw.)
And who am I kidding? I'm definitely going to have to check this out.
(More Apes/Trek connections: David Gerrold, who famously wrote "The Trouble with Tribbles," also wrote the novelization of Battle for the Planet of the Apes--which is much better than the movie, btw.)
And Mark Lenard played Urko in the Apes TV series!
http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_Lenard
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No, that was in the live-action TV series. Whose guests also included John Hoyt, Jon Lormer, Jay Robinson, Michael Strong, Morgan Woodward, Harry Townes, Lee Delano, Percy Rodrigues, Joseph Ruskin, and Ron Soble.
There was a version of Urko in the animated series Return to the Planet of the Apes, but he was played by Henry Corden, better known as the second voice of Fred Flintstone.
Ah, ok. I was sure he had a link to the animateds. But yeah, I did once know that Lenard's Urko was live-action TV. Thanks!
Sounds interesting. Haven't bought a comic in close to 30 years probably bur may have to check this out
TOS and Planet of the Apes were my favourite TV series in my youth.
The only comic books I have ever bought were Planet of the Apes and TOS. I still have them
Wow I'm gushing.
Still I'm wary too. And I'll probably never find a copy living here in the backwoods. But there's always the internet.
The only comic books I have ever bought were Planet of the Apes and TOS. I still have them
Wow I'm gushing.
Still I'm wary too. And I'll probably never find a copy living here in the backwoods. But there's always the internet.
That's why I'm not too fond of science fiction crossovers as a rule -- SF universes, by their very nature, are about creating their own distinctive histories and physics and planets and species, so they're usually irreconcilable with one another on a pretty fundamental level. Stories like this have to be treated as "imaginary stories," more playful thought experiments than anything that could'e "actually" happened. They can be fun on that level, so long as you don't read too much into them. Still, I'd be happier to see crossovers between franchises that plausibly could go in the same universe, though that would be much harder to achieve.
And really, I think I'd be more interested in this if these inter-series crossovers weren't becoming so routine with the IDW license. We've had Legion of Super Heroes, Doctor Who, that loose Infestation crossover with various other IDW licenses, and now this, all within four years. It doesn't feel as much like an Event anymore.
All those Apes/Trek connections...I can't believe no one mentioned Michael Giacchino, composer of Trek 11 and 12, and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.
Also, Wah Chang (TOS prop/ship designer) worked on the original film; Beneath had Jeff Corey, Gregory Sierra, and Lou Wagner as well as James Gregory; Escape had Ricardo Montalban, William Windom, Jason Evers, Janos Prohaska, and voice artist Walker Edmiston; Conquest had Paul Comi as well as Montalban and Wagner; and Battle had France Nuyen as well as bit parts by Paula Crist and David Gerrold, who also novelized the film.
In addition to the cast I mentioned above, the live-action TV series had John Meredyth Lucas and Ralph Senensky as directors and Edward J. Lakso, Art Wallace, Robert Hamner, Shimon Wincelberg, and Booker "Dr. M'Benga" Bradshaw as writers, and its director of photography was TOS's Jerry Finnerman. And the animated series had at least one animator in common with TAS.
And I don't know why I'm mentioning it, because it's completely unrelated, but there's rumored to have been a 2001 Tim Burton movie having something to do with apes that was co-written by the screenwriters of The Undiscovered Country and executive-produced by Ralph Winter, and that featured David Warner, Erick Avari, and Deep Roy. But I'm not convinced that movie actually existed.
Much as I would love to read that -- because I've dreamed of that very thing for twenty years -- I'm not sure that it would really work. The problem, for me, is that the Aliens franchise has a deeply cynical view of humanity while Star Trek, even in its most morally conflicted incarnations (Deep Space Nine and Vanguard) are still a bit too rosy. Alien is, in a lot of ways, your worst case first contact scenario, and that's something Star Trek doesn't really do. Humanity in Star Trek, despite the odds, still finds a way to triumph, while in Aliens humanity can't even survive when confronted with the reality that the universe is implacable hostile to human life.
Unless Star Trek/Alien were done as an alternate universe tale in which you rewrite Alien by setting it in the Star Trek universe and replacing the Nostromo with one of the Enterprises and see how that deforms the traditional Star Trek narrative, then I don't really see the point.
Hmm, Chekov or Geordi as Kane. Yeah, I could get onboard with that.
Star Trek/Predator, on the other hand, I think could work very, very well.
I think that's a fair criticism of IDW's output, but it's also like criticizing John Ordover's trilogy philosophy of fifteen years ago. He kept publishing trilogies because they sold better than single-volume stories. IDW keeps publishing crossovers because they keep selling better than traditional Star Trek stories. The newness factor may not be there any more, but they're just following the money. I wasn't a big fan of Ordover's trilogy approach, but people bought them and he kept commissiong them. When people stop buying Star Trek crossovers, IDW will find a different approach and publish something else. *shrug*
I'm not saying they shouldn't publish them if that's how the business works out. I'm just talking about my personal interest level.
Oh, I get that. I really do. I wasn't personally interested in JJ's trilogy fetish, either.
^Yes, I mentioned William Windom in post #15.
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