Star Trek: Picard Has a Very Different Borg Story From The Next Generation

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  1. Danja

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    Kurtzman says Stewart continued to defend against falling into the trap of repeating old stories. That tension shaped how Star Trek: Picard treats the Borg. “His constant refrain was: I don't want to do what I've already done,” Kurtzman says. “Obviously it's not a secret that the Borg were involved, and his first instinct was not to do the Borg. He was like, ‘I did that story. I don't want to do that story.’ And we couldn't just say, ‘Yeah, but we loved you in it so much, we just want to do that again.’ And what ended up emerging was actually as a result of that back and forth, a very unique and very different Borg story. Definitely not one that you could have told in Next Generation.


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    I think it's telling that Stewart didn't originally want anything to do with the Borg.

    Throwing Seven of Nine into the mix is a DEFINITE change from Next Generation. :borg:
     
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    Kurtzman: Getting the Borg in means you get to work with Jeri Ryan! Otherwise we'll be doing Q and...
    Stewart: Ok, let's go with the Borg.
     
  3. Danja

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    I'll admit Stewart had a point (How many variations of "Borg invade Earth, Picard saves the galaxy, and kills yet ANOTHER Borg Queen" can the fandom handle?)

    :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:

    You forgot Hugh. ;)
     
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    I'm guessing (from all we've seen so far in trailers) that the Borg might have been crippled to the point where individual drones are disconnected from the hive mind and are refugees of sorts. Small groups of drones wandering from system to system, asking for help, only to be told to "f*** off and go away, bad guys". I can totally see them going this way with the Borg, and it certainly would be different than what we've witnessed before.

    No spoilers, just my guess.
     
  5. Danja

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    If that's the case, Seven and Hugh's stories may well be running parallel to PIcard's (it's not Picard's Starfleet ... and it isn't Seven and Hugh's Collective).

    This begs the question: Who's powerful enough to overpower the BORG? (Species 8472 is out in the Delta Quadrant.)
     
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    ^ My best guess is what happened to the Borg IS the result of what Janeway did in 'Endgame'. I know their fate was left ambiguous, or at least it appeared that way, but this kinda makes the most sense to me.
     
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    The Borg adapt quickly (any weapon used against them can only be used once).
     
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    I don't know if it's a good idea to listen too much to Stewart. Didn't he also co write ''Insurrection'' and ''Nemesis''?
     
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    Michael Chabon is probably smart enough to know how to work with him or around him. He seems like the type of person who can sway Patrick Stewart to his way of thinking. And he seems creative enough to be able to figure out how to take into consideration what Patrick Stewart wants to do while still doing what he wants to do. Micheal Chabon knows what he's doing whereas a lesser writer or a writer of lesser stature would be too in awe of Sir Patrick.
     
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    True, unless that event, Janeway's actions, disabled them to the point where they were unable to recover from it, and unable to adapt to it as well.

    I'm kinda stickin' with this idea... it would mean a galaxy full of confused drones, kind of like what happened to Hugh's group after 'I, Borg'. And it would be a fantastic way to link Voyager to the Picard series.
     
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    Insurrection was the best TNG movie, and top three of all 13 movies.

    Nemesis had problems, but I get the feeling a lot was the director.
     
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    Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I think you will be in the minority there. Personally I rank them FC, GEN, NEM, then INS........:beer:
     
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    I don't really like any of the TNG movies. None of them were a patch on TNG at its best.

    I'm optimistic about Picard...
     
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    I found that the original 10 movies all to be a bit lacklusture. The common criticism is that Insurrection was like a TNG 2 parter. I agree, which is why I think it's the best.

    09 and Beyond worked fairly well as movies imo, but most of the time I'd rather watch say Data's Day or Remember Me than them, let alone the great classics.
     
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    Insurrection comes after FC and GEN with the TNG movies for me
     
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    I mean, it would fascinating to see that Voyager's return home has caused all manner of problems for the entire galaxy, although that does sort of stamp on Voyager as series.
     
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    And we can blame it on Captain (now Admiral) Janeway and her over-zealous quest to deal a lethal blow to the Borg once and for all while also finding a way back home for herself and the Voyager crew. The super-weapon she brought from Delta Quadrant seems to have succeeded in eliminating the Borg threat, but at what cost? I guess this will be one of themes that will be explored in the 'Picard' series.

    I look forward to see a scene where Picard has an encounter with Admiral Janeway about her methods and its consequences for the Borg. I think Picard would've criticized the weapon tech she brought for creating great harm among the surviving Borg drones like Hugh, etc, where Janeway likely would've replied that while she's sorry for the fate of the Borg survivors, the end result (securing the Federation) still justify the means.

    I'll be curious to see whether Seven will come to the picture and criticize the decision made by her former captain and mentor as well. In any case, seeing the clash of ideas between these two iconic Starfleet captains would have been so intriguing....
     
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    Yup, I think that's what we will see in 'Picard'. To make matters worse, the Romulans then captured many of these individualized drones and used many of them for their sick secret weapon experimentation. That's why they built this prison camp where they held the freed drones (including Dahj) as captives.

    That's why Picard recruits Seven and Hugh into his 'A-Team', not only to help him to find Dahj, but also to find other individualized drones held captive and liberate them. They were too late to save some of them
    (RIP Icheb)
    but in the end managed to save quite a few. including Dahj. Picard and his 'A-team' are then hunted down by the Federation, since elements within Feds (most likely Section 31) are in cahoots with the Romulans and are behind the making of this secret weapon.
     
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    That guess needs this attached to make it more real...


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    Seven is not going to make it easy for Picard. She does what she does for her own reasons.

    She tends to be leery of entanglements. (She went through enough of that with Voyager and the Borg. She famously called Janeway out on that in "The Gift": "You are no different than the Borg"). She knows full well that alliances can shift (The Borg abandoned her after she was captured by Voyager).

    She's reached a point in her life where she's tired of doing other people's dirty work. She despises hypocrites (she called Janeway "hypocritical" in the aforementioned scene from "The Gift").

    Kate Mulgrew has said elsewhere that she isn't interested in revisiting Janeway (she had her moment in Nemesis and she's happy with that).

    If she dealt a lethal blow to the Borg, that would explain her promotion to Admiral.

    That said, I would think that after all these aeons, the Borg would know how to compartmentalize and keep problems from spreading to the entire Collective.

    The Borg are not stupid -- and neither is Seven of Nine. She knows that trying to defeat the Collective is an exercise in futility.

    The Borg are lying in wait and she knows it. It's only a matter of time before a revitalized Borg comes back to the Alpha Quadrant with a vengeance.

    If Icheb has indeed been killed, his being Janeway's wonder weapon may have been the reason why.
     
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