Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Vox"

This actually is a great line. I think you may have taken it differently than intended.

The rest of it is just reading into things that aren't there.

 

I think this is a real reach, to be honest. (Under 25s are not really millenials as the term is normally used btw. Millennials are older.) I do think the political message is a bit muddled, but I don't see the relevance of Bernie Sanders, who has been a marginal political figure in one country, not really an important voice since 2016. The 'techno authoritarianism' could just as easily be a critique of eg Facebook and big tech, and more generally how seductive fascism is.

 

And the USS Hikaru Sulu

 

All the human names... it's making me think either this is just some kind of Sol home fleet, or Star Trek is starting to get a bit honest about how the Federation is basically a Human Empire. A homo sapiens only club, as someone once put it.

 

There are now 2 Borg groups. There is the OG Borg Collective from the DQ. They were decimated by Janeway in Endgame. As we see in this ep, the Queen is in bad shape. She cooks up this plan with the changelings to get revenge on Starfleet. Then there is the alt-Borg Cooperative as we see in S2. They are Borg who through the time travel shenannigans in S2 reject authoritarianism and decide to only accept new drones voluntarily and ultimately become allies of the Federation. Jurati becomes their Queen and they are guarding that spatial rift at the end of S2.

 

One thing I don't understand, maybe just forgotten ... the creation of the new friendly borg happened in the Confederation timeline. How come they now exist in the main timeline too?

 

sounds pretty easy to explain, especially as he already told Laris about Beverly. And I don’t get the feeling JL and Beverly are getting back together, there are plenty of couples where one of the partners has kids with previous lovers, even today.

it’s not like he had much time to tell her what he’s been up to in the last twenty years.

Didn’t she have something else to do?

weren’t the Borg mentioned in season 4 if discovery? They surely still existed in some form in “the far future” on Lower Decks.

especially as lower decks showed an Olympic class ship already!

I was never a big fan of the design, but it grew on me watching Hidden Frontier. And the added bulk of the third nacelle surely helps to make her more balanced.

I think the Galaxy ships we see on later seasons of DS9 had those anyway.

got the same feeling.

 

Oh fair enough. Of course whatever we interpret right into it is subjective. I might have watched one or two insane outbursts of Ben Shapiro type goons to much to not be remindet in this crap.

(of course I know that millenial is inacurate. It was kind of a joke since many people use "millenial" synonymous with "young person I dont like")

 

Ironically, one thing I always thought was wrong with the Borg was that there was no other side to the story. Sharing a connection, understanding other people and working in unison can certainly have its plus side. So where were the "good" networked cyborgs!?

Jack may be right, but he was being facetious with the last part. It's interesting because he had a deep feeling considering his experiences that connection is the way forward. But how it's done makes all the difference.

TNG made the Borg a good villain but simplistic.

 

You're reading like 5000% too much into this.

 

@Cortez
I agree with a few of the critiques you've written about this season. I think Terry Matalas is being credited for things that really aren't true. Like Discovery's season 1, Picard 3 has been dark, lit dark, with lots of main characters starting off at odds with, if not disaffected from, one another. There are superficial borrowings from past episodes and lots of ship porn. Etc, etc., etc.

In the end, the season is a big fuzzy blanket. And that's OK. I think there is room for cozy science fiction in Star Trek, and I think it would have been better embracing a lower stakes story in order to achieve that coziness. Nothing is innovative. All the people who are suddenly in love have gone back to trashing the next iteration of the franchise (I'm looking at you, Robert Meyer Burnett). In the end, it's just a bunch of comfort food, and that appears to be what the audience wants,

 

I liked most of it. I need to process.

Not bad at all though.

 

Yeah definitely, I don't think they went out of their way to portray it this way, I just think it is just indicative of a broader human tendency to prefer fixed, static identities, ideals, etc. to the idea that these 'structures' are not structures at all and are constantly in flux as we age and have experience, whether we have awareness of it or not. But I guess it might be too much to hope for STU to apply post-structural commentary...maybe on discovery!

 

Yes. Thats why I wrote that my brain was set on cynicism. Its more of a commentary than an actual analysis.

In the end this series is (also) a piece of art in the tradition of a franchise that claims to be thoughtful and about social issues and philosophy and stuff. Its only fair to poke it with a stick and to explore what can be found in it.

 

I've actually gotten the impression that Matalas, like Manny Coto, may actually be one of those rare right-wing Star Trek writers, considering some of the "fan" channels he's willing to go on.

That said, I don't interpret that line from Jack as being a political dig.

 

Nostalgia covers a multitude of sins.

 

Maybe. To his credit, he has been granting access in a way no producer has done before.

 

Well they are doing it for a reason.
I don't agree it's a good one.

 

Pretty much this.

I wish Stewart had kept to his guns. Picard wouldn't be as massively talked about right now, but there'd be more deserved respect for its attempts at different things. Imagine a third season where Picard, Raffi, Elnor, Soji, Seven and Laris head out on a spy mission or something. They still could run across a few of the TNG folks.

But no...

 

Then a moderator shouldn't single out one poster BY QUOTING THEM if they want to keep things 'private'.

Hoss is the polite way of saying what I was thinking. But by all means, if you'd rather the impolite was used instead...