The "overgrown Boy Scout". 
Little did he know...
Little did he know...
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"
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What do you imagine Picard doing worse than Jack already having a criminal record at 21 and seemingly no degree higher than high school, I'm curious?
Beverly strikes me as a person highly committed to her values and ideals. At some point in time, she felt like those were at odds with Picard and his love of the stars, so she set a course to avoid that, and damn be the consequences.
I do wonder how Spot changed breeds and genders during TNG. Now we know, and we have an answer why Data shoved Crusher off the ship in Generations.
Star Trek: Picard just keeps answering those long simmering questions we had from three decades ago.I do wonder how Spot changed breeds and genders during TNG. Now we know, and we have an answer why Data shoved Crusher off the ship in Generations.
Well, this is kind-of why I said I was not at all sure that Beverly wasn't a good parent. Jack's current state (at least, what we know of it so far) is a good indicator of that.
Picard's handling of the E-D's children at "Picard Day" spoke volumes of his inability to handle kids. His early interactions with Wesley, the son of his dead best friend (despite Wesley's highly annoying tendencies), also left a lot to be desired. Beverly was right about one thing - he was married to the job. He never could have handled having offspring of his own and likely would have pushed Jack away much sooner, making matters even worse.
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I think you forgot her response to that line, (and one of the best in the Star Trek franchise in my opinion):The "overgrown Boy Scout".
" Jim Kirk was many things... but he was never a Boy Scout."
True.
I really enjoyed this ep: lotsa unfolding, and complexity abounds!
Gave it a 9: The simmering plot is indeed thickening…
Gave it a 9: The simmering plot is indeed thickening…
He had multiple chances and never took them. Even with Q's intervention with "Tapestry" he found that love was still out of reach because it ruined a friendship. So, Picard has had a lot of mixed messages over the years, even with the help of Q or other interventions.
Oh, yes! I fully 100% agree Beverly should have at least presented him with the option. Robbing him of the opportunity to at least know his own son was a seriously dick move. While I understand why she thought it was a good idea from her own perception of reality, I completely disagree with her actually going through with it.
I have no doubt he would have fucked it up royally, though.
And though he had more than 300 consecutive days of shore leave planned with Anij from the Ba'ku planet and the two seemed to have a connection by the end of INS it's painfully obvious it didn't work out. He was single again by NEM and she's not mentioned again. Picard just isn't good at romantic relationships.
Probably stating the absolute obvious; Personally, I reckon the nebula is absolutely ‘more than it seems’, and was wondering if it (somehow) relates to the sentient AI we were introduced to back in Season 1 of Picard…
I agree that Picard probably would've been that dad who's always at work, but keep in mind that a part of him, as revealed in the Nexus in Generations, DID want a family life. If Starfleet was his dream life completely, then the Nexus would've shown him a life as an Admiral, not the family life it did show.
Regardless we have to assume the same things would've happened and Picard would've been sidelined come the attack on Mars. Although a fair point might be made in this alternate universe Jack and Beverly might have been on Mars with Picard and his work, and they would've been killed in the synth attack. Otherwise all I can see is them settling down on the vineyard in France with him in the aftermath.
As for Picard driving away a teenage Jack, it's hard to say. Note that Raffi drove away her son by constantly trying to chase leads to vindicate her theories about the Mars attack, but there's no evidence Picard did any of that. At best I can see Jack just hiding at university with a strained relationship with Jean-Luc, but I don't think Picard would let him go wandering around in space--heck, he couldn't do that even if he wanted to. Picard seemingly has no access to civilian ships at all for some bizarre reason and always needs a ride from Starfleet or someone Starfleet connected (this whole disaster could've been avoided if Picard had just hired a private ship). It's not clear how Beverly got the Eleos.
As for the awkward Picard day in TNG, what did Picard season 1 show us? He kept mementos of that day. That speaks volumes.
So why all the alias ?
Yep. Everything points to Jack being a con-man LONG before Vadic got involved.
Yes but did Beverly know what he saw in the nexus and that he longed for a family? Maybe she only knew what he told her, which, according to this ep, was that he never ever wanted children. Being pregnant by someone who told you they don’t want children would be pretty upsetting.
Also, she didn’t mention it, but she already raised a kid who was traumatized by losing his dad to Starfleet the growing up without him. Maybe she thought it would be easier for Jack to just never have a father than to have one and lose him.
Don’t get me wrong, what she did was basically unforgivable and the dangerous lifestyle does not make her look good as being the “safe” parent, just throwing it out there.
Regardless of whether or not I agree with Beverly's decision, I find it understandable due to the pain she has experienced in the past.
Understanding =/= agreement.