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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

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Also, the 100 years leading upto FC are chaotic, so hardly anyone knows about them? Seems a bit unlikely with so much digital info and everyone and everything being aired out on social media. How would all this info get lost, even with a nuclear war?
EMPs are not good for digital systems.
Anyways records of this era being fragmented is a fact from a previous series, I don’t remember which.


why didn’t they disconnect her before the reanimation attempt?
They did. She must have adapted.
 
the technology of both the solar shielding and the party seems a but too advanced for 2024, also the disease seems a bit excessive.

It's worth noting despite the arguments made in other threads this isn't "our" 2024. They're sending manned missions to Europa where people will land there, collect samples, and bring it back. That's decades beyond what out space programs can accomplish. (And within the progress of spaceflight in the Trek universe.)

The shield thing is harder to grasp, even if it's meant only to be a shield for UV light and not a physical one (something they were just starting at in ENT.) I dunno.... Maaybeeee a UV/radiation shield if we consider the level of spaceflight they're at? But emitted by several small drones? I dunno.
 
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What if Adam’s genetic engineering is why all his make descendants look the same.

Good lord I hope that isn’t the case. It doesn’t need an explanation.

However, what about genetic memory? His daughter’s imagine genetically coded into the Soong line, eventually making its way to Noonian Soong who consciously or unconsciously puts her image into his android’s coding. And that is how Dahj/Soji come to be.
 
This doesn't make too much sense to me.
Q never really cared about humans dying, and changing the past to create the Confederation resulted in even more deaths... on an interstellar scale no less.

My point was in the last scene of the previous episode, Q attempts to frighten Renee out of going to space with his Q powers, snaps his fingers, and then nothing happens. He then says something like "people are going to die...how unfortunate." And now he's on to other schemes, like pretending to be her shrink to dissuade her, and whatever he wants Soong to do to her. He clearly does *not* want her in space, and he believes that people will die if she goes into space.
 
He then says something like "people are going to die...how unfortunate."
That line came before he tried snapping.

I think those were thoughts he was trying to put in her head. The people dying being her crew if she does something wrong during the mission.

He couldn’t put doubt in her head the Q way, so now he’s trying to do it the human way.
 
My point was in the last scene of the previous episode, Q attempts to frighten Renee out of going to space with his Q powers, snaps his fingers, and then nothing happens. He then says something like "people are going to die...how unfortunate." And now he's on to other schemes, like pretending to be her shrink to dissuade her, and whatever he wants Soong to do to her. He clearly does *not* want her in space, and he believes that people will die if she goes into space.

Yes, but the way DeLancie delivered those lines was more akin to Q showing contempt towards Renee at the end of the last episode.
'How unfortunate' could have also been meant in a different capacity by Q... not as in genuine worry, but more of a sarcastic way.
And for all we know, he could have been talking about stuff he wants to see happen, not what originally happened (without his meddling).
 
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Yes, but the way DeLancie delivered those lines was more akin to Q showing contempt towards Renee at the end of the last epusode.
'How unfortunate' could have also been meant in a different capacity by Q... not as in genuine worry, but more of a sarcastic way.
And for all we know, he could have been talking about stuff he wants to see happen, not what originally happened (without his meddling).

I'm not arguing that Q actually cares about people dying, but if we take his words at face value (and he's clearly talking to himself here - no reason to obfuscate) Renee going into space will now lead to a worse outcome than staying on the ground.
 
That line came before he tried snapping.

I think those were thoughts he was trying to put in her head. The people dying being her crew if she does something wrong during the mission.

He couldn’t put doubt in her head the Q way, so now he’s trying to do it the human way.

You are correct. The people are dying came pre-snap, the "most unfortunate" post snap.

I still think that Q isn't the one who causes the Confederation timeline though, on the basis of what he said to Picard at the beginning of the second episode.
 
Good direction as always from Frakes.

My interest is waning. The season got off to such a strong start and now at the halfway mark, we're still completely in the dark as to what's going on as we watch the characters move from one plot point to the next in brisk fashion. Jurati / Queen - good. Q & Soong - good. Why is Q powerless? Just another mystery in amongst the rest, for now.

Average - a step up from last week.
 
I'm not arguing that Q actually cares about people dying, but if we take his words at face value (and he's clearly talking to himself here - no reason to obfuscate) Renee going into space will now lead to a worse outcome than staying on the ground.

I don't think he was talking to himself - he was trying to put those thoughts into Renee's head so she would back out. Which fits with what he's doing as therapist.
 
I rated this an 8. I enjoyed it a lot more than last week's episode and thought it was another strong outing. It was good to see Isa Briones again. Episodes 1-3 are still better, but this wasn't too far behind for me. Comparing this to last season, this was where Stardust City Rag happened, and this season is just so much better.

We have plenty of time to answer the main mysteries of the season, and things don't feel too drawn out to me with the introduction of Soong, the Watcher, and the Borg Queen plot all keeping me interested. Only weird thing was it was never explained why The Watcher looked like Laris - thought she would say she took a form familiar to Picard or something? Seemed like an odd oversight.

So main mysteries of the season are still:

Why did the Borg come through the anomaly and what do they want?
Who is the Borg Queen in the future?
What happened to Picard's mom / in his past?
Why doesn't Q want Renee to go to space/did he change the timeline or do the Picard crew do it?
Why doesn't Q have his powers?
 
That was a step up from last week. The Jurati/Borg Queen thread in particular has been a pleasure every week so far.

Laris being the Watcher last week was an underwhelming reveal, so it was an interesting twist to see her as a spy in the Gary Seven mold, mostly because I always liked Assignment: Earth. ;)

Is the appearance of Brent Spiner going to lead to something Eugenics related, considering Soong's group of Augments back on ENT?

Everybody needs Q as a therapist. :D I just wonder what the whole point of all of these timeline shenanigans is going to mean in the long run. Hopefully, it started out as a lesson for humanity, even if Q is addled with problematic aging, as Picard noted.
 
we still have the “Vulcans” that were in the woods that are going to probably play into this somehow. What if Q is sending Soong after them and that’s what leads to the Confederate future we saw? Try as I might, I just can’t figure out how Picard’s ancestor not finding a sentient microbe would lead to what we saw.
 
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