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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"
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"How will I handle diplomacy when I have no firepower to back up my position, no empath to sense deception, no walking computer that can instantly calculate or recall information, and no intimidating Klingon to ensure my physical safety is absolute..."
Maybe the real Maddox is still on the planet - basically a guest of the robot race. The version of him that went back to the Federation was his synth doppelganger. It set up a fake lab as a front, but that's all it ever was.
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He couldn't have, it must have already been there, the only question is for how long.
Are we talking decades, centuries or millennia.
Was it already there before Soong built Data and Lore, did Soong himself visit the planet.
Soji confirmed it wasn't Maddox when she activated, there is no reason to leave her creators face blank in the scene unless it is to keep her real fathers identity secret, Maddox wasn't a secret so there would be no reason to blank his face.
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Myself and others said this after he was supposedly killed, it could easily have been just a synthetic copy sent to spring whatever traps had been setup.
Could Maddox have been a synth from the start on the Enterprise D.
All this is making me ask questions I never thought of before...
What if LORE wasn't a mistake, what if Soong made him bad on purpose?
What if Juliana O'Donnell didn't die but at some point went back to Capalius?
What if the Androids from "I MUDD" are an offshoot of this?
What if the Synth's forced Maddox to leave Capalius for some reason and it really was him who died.
What if LORE wasn't a mistake, what if Soong made him bad on purpose?
What if Juliana O'Donnell didn't die but at some point went back to Capalius?
What if the Androids from "I MUDD" are an offshoot of this?
What if the Synth's forced Maddox to leave Capalius for some reason and it really was him who died.
Brian Brophy?!
Dr Soong's exchange with Lore in "Brothers" doesn't support that Lore was made bad on purpose.
Forgot about that.
Forgot about that.
I gotchu
This episode was.... good? I suppose?
I mean, this was by god not a bad episode. But overall - it felt like the writers bungled the main arc. Again. Not as bad as on DIS. But still.
In the very beginning, this show felt like the writers had a very solid plan - all these set-ups, different machinations, people, places. Now it feels like they are winging it again. Now don't get me wrong - they are winging it great. This is a talented pool of writers, actors, producers. But many moments - the Borg rise up, Seven reconnecting with the Borg, Soji going full self-aware A.I., Dr. Pill facing her actions - all felt very rushed, and frankly - not thoroughly set-up, despite us all expecting the moment from the beginning. The execution was kinda' lacking - we don't know how all this works (Seven controlling the Borg, what are Soji and Pill inside like now?) - the actions don't feel like natural consequences of the story - it all feels like a "ride" again, just follow from moment to moment and be amazed at the spectacle, without actually having to think through the plot yourself or anticipate anything. Just shut the brain off and enjoy.
I also have to be frank - I was hoping for this whole thing to be a more nuanced Borg/Romulans-story. I don't care much about A.I.-apocalypse stories. Nor "ancient prophecies and secret cults" to be honest. That's all so very.... basic. It feels all so... fictional. Like movie revenge plots, or crome shows.
I kinda' miss the "boring" Star Trek of the past - where A.I. becoming sentient was handled like with the exocomps - no human-like robots, no uprising, no secret cults - just a tool - something unexpected - becoming sentient, and the huge ramification of that, played out on a small scale:
Still, I like this show. I would give this episode a
7/10
It's by and large good entertainment. My only disappointment is against the huge expectations I had.
I mean, this was by god not a bad episode. But overall - it felt like the writers bungled the main arc. Again. Not as bad as on DIS. But still.
In the very beginning, this show felt like the writers had a very solid plan - all these set-ups, different machinations, people, places. Now it feels like they are winging it again. Now don't get me wrong - they are winging it great. This is a talented pool of writers, actors, producers. But many moments - the Borg rise up, Seven reconnecting with the Borg, Soji going full self-aware A.I., Dr. Pill facing her actions - all felt very rushed, and frankly - not thoroughly set-up, despite us all expecting the moment from the beginning. The execution was kinda' lacking - we don't know how all this works (Seven controlling the Borg, what are Soji and Pill inside like now?) - the actions don't feel like natural consequences of the story - it all feels like a "ride" again, just follow from moment to moment and be amazed at the spectacle, without actually having to think through the plot yourself or anticipate anything. Just shut the brain off and enjoy.
I also have to be frank - I was hoping for this whole thing to be a more nuanced Borg/Romulans-story. I don't care much about A.I.-apocalypse stories. Nor "ancient prophecies and secret cults" to be honest. That's all so very.... basic. It feels all so... fictional. Like movie revenge plots, or crome shows.
I kinda' miss the "boring" Star Trek of the past - where A.I. becoming sentient was handled like with the exocomps - no human-like robots, no uprising, no secret cults - just a tool - something unexpected - becoming sentient, and the huge ramification of that, played out on a small scale:
Still, I like this show. I would give this episode a
7/10
It's by and large good entertainment. My only disappointment is against the huge expectations I had.
Instead, his walking computer is interested in psychology and culture, his programming wiz is a pothead, his go-to guy has multiple personality issues, his doctor might kill, and his security is uncontrollable. Let's see how they evolve.
Saavik is a completely different person, how does that relate to anything in Picard?
Loved it! Great callbacks to established Trek history. The revival of the Borg ship had so much potential for drama and conflict -- too bad the drones got spaced as soon as 7 fired them up. It would have been fun to see a Borg Romulan takedown. Anyway, the Cube will return in the finale, I'm sure.
So, they've arrived at Caprica -- er... Capalius -- the home of the synths. A big mystery is: who has the power to move eight stars and place them exactly in a gravitational equilibrium? As a signal... that Picard is following. To learn a lesson about saving humanity...
So, they've arrived at Caprica -- er... Capalius -- the home of the synths. A big mystery is: who has the power to move eight stars and place them exactly in a gravitational equilibrium? As a signal... that Picard is following. To learn a lesson about saving humanity...
Q?
We are long past the days of smaller stake SF stories. Everything has to be galaxy, universe ending now. And I'm tired of the entire fate of the galaxy being on the line. It's tiresome. And hard to give a shit anymore with these outlandish stakes.
Well it would add to the depressing dystopian tone, with Riker and Troi's kid dead, Hugh dead, etc. And it would make Saavik responsible for Spock's death in an alternate timeline too.
Also, I wonder if Oh's mind meld would have worked on Picard? It seems not quite mind control but almost. Picard had been through mind wrenching experiences though (Sarek's mind meld, assimilation etc.) and perhaps Oh didn't want to risk trying to convert Picard and failing.
hugh's not dead, he's just sleeping.
