Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by pst, Mar 5, 2020.

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Rate Episode 1x08 "Broken Pieces"

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  1. Gonzo

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    Alternatively she could have been one of those that stabbed him in the back.

    Its just like Picard said in the episode, the Zhat Vash set a trap for Starfleet and the Federation, they could have side stepped it if they had wanted to but as we all know they were just looking for an excuse to fold.

    Clancy's career now depends on how helpful she is, Picards star will rise and then he will be the one in a position to dictate terms.

    He could end up as Commander in Chief for this, the Federation and Starfleet will have no choice if it all comes out and political heads are going to roll.

    Starfleet and the Federation will have been caught with their pants well and truly down, same goes for the Romulan Government and Tal'Shiar.

    Jurati will probably be acquitted, she certainly has grounds for it.

    Commodore Oh is up shit creek without a paddle if it all comes out, everyone is going to want her extremely dead, her actions killed not only 90000 Federation citizens but also up to 900 million Romulans.

    Raffi will be reinstated and most likely make full Commander immediately, Rios will probably get another ship if he wants one and the Synth ban will be rapidly revoked.

    That is assuming that the Zhat Vash are wrong, or right and there is enough time to stop whatever it is they are shitting the bed about.
     
  2. Gonzo

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    Is someone nudging events in a certain way.

    Its just the sort of thing Q would do as a test of Picard.
     
  3. Yistaan

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    It would be poetic justice if a Romulan killed Oh for what happened, except the only prominent Romulan victim of the supernova who wasn't Zhat Vash on this show was a Senator who got killed by Elnor. Well maybe Laris and Zhaban can kill her...
     
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  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Seems doubtful. Or as Clancy might say "It seems fucking doubtful".
     
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  5. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Hey, we still remember when a bunch of scorpions brainwashed the entire Starfleet Command back in Conspiracy.
     
  6. Gonzo

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    It is possible that she could survive if the Zhat Vash are shown to be correct in their interpretation of the message.

    If the big bad does appear then there is no point in killing any more synths, its pretty much the only thing that can save her at this point.

    I am most interested in finding out just how many other spies there are in Starfleet, it could get very messy if there are a lot of them, personally I think the number will be small to minimise the chances of exposure.

    We won't have long to wait to find out.
     
  7. Agony_Boothb

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    Clancy would just tell them to fuck off
     
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  8. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    Entire might be a stretch. Definitely three admirals though. They were controlling their victims through a parasitic infestation, so not really brainwashing.
     
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  9. RaulMacca

    RaulMacca Vice Admiral Admiral

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    You are all way over thinking this, they have not left enough time for a supercomplex finish.

    Clancy will be bad, its almost canon starfleet admirals are bad, regardless picards broke the law, he nor clancy get to alter that but writers may ignore it.... like the half dozen dead bodies in picards study on earth.

    And worf is going to show up, no way Dorn was on set to watch
     
  10. Yistaan

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    What law did Picard break? Not reporting the bodies? For all we know Laris and Zhaban did it.

    Also, it seems that Zhat Vash hatred of AI is just barely fitting in with the rest of the franchise. A poster on trekmovie noted that Data was captured on Romulus itself by Sela and no Zhat Vash showed up to execute him. Every Romulan at the time was more concerned with the bizarre and unrealistic invasion of Vulcan (which is a Federation member and would have prompted an intergalactic war).
     
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  11. Llywela

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    I figure the Zhat Vash is a relatively small cabal who can't be everywhere, which is why they weren't able to capitalise on the occasions when Data was within Romulan reach. Also, from what we learned in this episode, it doesn't seem like Data was ever a target in himself. He wasn't advanced enough to be considered the Seb Cheneb himself, he didn't represent the tipping point, to need to be exterminated as such. What Data represented to the Zhat Vash was a warning that the tipping point was being approached and therefore synthetic research must not be allowed to develop any further. So rather than waste any effort trying to destroy Data, they focused their efforts on infiltrating Starfleet so they could work toward a much bigger and, to their minds, more important target: preventing any further research into advancing synthetic development.
     
  12. RaulMacca

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    what law are you kidding?

    murder, in france having live firearms unsecured is a crime, using them and not reporting killings and fleeing earth....yeah thats a few crimes.

    protecting a synth banned by treaty would be a crime, try harbouring a taliban member.

    Then the romulans would pin everything from that cube onto picard, who conspired with hugh to break the treaty.

    Just all imo ofcourse
     
  13. Agony_Boothb

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    It's not going to be wrapped up in the next couple of episodes. This is longform storytelling at play. The synth plot is going to be the keystone story across all 3 seasons.
     
  14. Yistaan

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    Well the Romulans invaded Picard's home, so they would be fair game even in modern law. And as for Picard having unsecured weapons, he may have been given special dispensation due to his long list of enemies or the law changed in a few hundred years. Or perhaps those phasers only work for Picard and his housemates' fingerprints or something.

    As far as I know, Hugh was going to break the treaty after Picard left for Nepenthe. And even then we just have Rizzo's word, no trial or anything.

    Picard could always claim he didn't know Dahj was a synth at first. And that he was going to report her but she ran away and was later killed.
    This puts Measure of a Man in a whole new light.
     
  15. Danja

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    Voyager needed several thousand tons of plate armor to go through a Borg transwarp conduit ... yet La Sirena somehow manages to breeze through as though it was on a Sunday drive.

    What gives? :wtf:

    She did what she set out to do ... she drove the Romulans out and retook the cube.
     
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  16. Maurice

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    Fixed that for ya. :)
     
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  17. Yistaan

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    That was over 20 years ago though, with the plate armor being from around when Picard is set curiously enough. For all we know that plate armor is now common and built into all starships inconspicuously.
     
  18. SJGardner

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    I'm pretty sure defending yourself against home invaders who shoot you with firearms is not illegal in any jurisdiction. And I'm not sure the contemporary French criminal code is still valid on a unified 24th century Earth. Yeah, I'd rather that Federation civilians didn't have the right to bear arms, but the Federation as portrayed evidently recognizes it.

    I'm about 85-90% certain this will be directly resolved in the finale as it's central to a main character. Either through an ex post facto amnesty law retroactively making harboring a synth legal, or if the writers don't want to delve deep into legal concepts, then probably with Clancy relaying that Picard has been given a pardon and the ban will be lifted shortly.

    That would require the Federation taking what they say at face value, which is far from guaranteed. They don't exactly have any admissible evidence other than what Narissa says.
     
  19. Danja

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    Sirena looks awfully light. :shifty:
     
  20. Yistaan

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    Yeah, the advancement in starship hull technology is amazing! And let's not forget Janeway brought back that armor and thus advanced ship tech by 20 years in Endgame.