Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 14, 2020.

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  1. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    You can make your point without getting this personal.
     
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  2. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    That's definitely not how things like that went down. Worf got a ready room lecture for going over to a Klingon ship and taking care of legitimate Klingon personal/cultural business (killing Duras).

    ETA: In case you missed it previously...
     
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  3. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    Right. Worf didn't violate any Klingon rules or customs, and he was on a Klingon ship. Whether his action violates Federation laws or customs should be irrelevant.

    It's funny. Overall that was a solid episode, but it mostly comes up as an example of Picard being wrong about something these days.
     
  4. DaveyNY

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    Quite correct...
    It was late and I let my frustration with their overly dismissive attitude get the better of me.
    My apologies, its been corrected.
     
  5. ThreeEdgedSword

    ThreeEdgedSword Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Should it? But where would they draw the line?
    Picard: So, how wasyour vacation?
    Crewmember: Fine. Killed a few jews, raped a woman, enslaved a child. You know, the usual within my culture.
    P: I don't personally approve, but hey, whatevs.
     
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  6. Bad Thoughts

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    Regardless of whether or not Picard decided to overlook what Worf did, surely Starfleet has some sort of UCMJ that would prevail over the exigencies of local law and custom?
     
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  7. Discofan

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    Starfleet laws are shadowy at best, inexistent and/or stupid at worst.

    When Worf fired on that freighter they were perfectly prepared to send him to the Klingons to get judged there by them, regardless of the fact that they were at war with the Klingons. It would be like Kim Jong hun demanding and obtaining the extradition of an American citizen for the sole reason that his parents were once Korean. Talk about stupid, barbaric and racist!!!
     
  8. Noname Given

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    And then Picard would pull Worf into his Ready Room and give him a dressing down and a reprimand for acting Klingon. And that happened all the time on the show.

    ETA:
    I see "The Old Mixer" beat me to it. :rommie:
     
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  9. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    That might be...stretching things just a tad.

    Worf killed Duras in a duel. A legal, state-sanctioned duel. He didn't commit any atrocities like what you just mentioned.

    Was Picard entitled to reprimand him? ... Maybe. I think Picard just wanted to make it clear that the Federation was not interfering in the selection of the next Klingon Chancellor (since Duras was one of the contenders) and just put down the reprimand as a formality.
     
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    It makes one wonder if Starfleet would have convened a hearing had Kirk not only defeated Ron Tracey in hand-to-hand combat but been forced to kill him on Omega IV. Common sense tells you that it would have been self-defense and justified but given Starfleet's rules regarding even a commanding officer losing his ship in the line of duty and hearings being called to determine the facts involved I could see Kirk being hauled into a Starbase and facing a hearing on whether or not Tracey - a Starfleet Captain with his own impressive record as well as a fellow Federation citizen who'd have been subject to Starfleet regulations and laws in court for his crimes and violation of the Prime Directive - could have been taken alive and delivered into the hands of authorities at the earliest convenience for the Enterprise.
     
  11. Greg Cox

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    Hmm. One wonders: If Ambassador Sarek HAD killed that Tellarite ambassador in "Journey to Babel," could he have claimed diplomatic immunity? Or demanded that any trial be conducted under Vulcan rules, including possibly trial by combat?

    I mean, if it's good enough for wedding ceremonies . . . :)
     
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  12. Discofan

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    "Trial by combat"? Someone has been watching "Game Of Thrones" lately...
     
  13. fireproof78

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    Yes... you.

    Also, those lirpa seemed pretty combative in Amok Time.
     
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  14. Longinus

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    Probably not, as they both were Federation citizens.
     
  15. Discofan

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    Regardless, "Trial by combat" is not as far as I know a known Vulcan custom.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    I was trying to make a joke but it fell flat.

    I shall now engage in my own trial of combat...bad jokes O_O
     
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  17. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    It's an interesting thought experiment. It's never been quite clear how seriously the Feferation takes its commitment to cultural diversity. Often it comes across as rank hypocrisy; cultures can be different, but only about trivial stuff. It's more useful to think of this as two different values which are sometimes in tension. Sort of like the contemporary USA, which values both religious freedom and equality. Works great until a sexist homphobic church comes along.

    Where the line gets drawn... beats me.
     
  18. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

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    Most Vulcan customs seem to have only been known to Vulcans.
     
  19. Kevman7987

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    I just realized something. The Vulcans are almost as secretive as the Romulans.


    This thread has really slowed down. Good thing the next episode airs in several hours. Hopefully that episode thread stays nice like this one did (lack of angry, circular arguments ruining it).
     
  20. Greg Cox

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    Nope. Just "Amok Time."

    Hence my joke about trial-by-combat being part of their wedding ceremonies.
     
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