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Star Trek Phase II test footage?
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Yes.
There was more test footage shot for Phase II than was shown on the DVD.
Test footage was shot for other standing sets (color and lighting tests, composition, blocking, practical monitors and displays, props, etc.), as well as wardrobe and makeup tests, auditions, etc.
There was also extensive preproduction art and storyboards drawn of sequences for all of the visual effects as presented in the pilot script titled "In Thy Image", which later went on to become what everyone knows as "The Motion Picture".
Perhaps when the Blu-ray disc of the first film is released there will be additional Phase II footage included that the general public has not yet seen.
There was more test footage shot for Phase II than was shown on the DVD.
Test footage was shot for other standing sets (color and lighting tests, composition, blocking, practical monitors and displays, props, etc.), as well as wardrobe and makeup tests, auditions, etc.
There was also extensive preproduction art and storyboards drawn of sequences for all of the visual effects as presented in the pilot script titled "In Thy Image", which later went on to become what everyone knows as "The Motion Picture".
Perhaps when the Blu-ray disc of the first film is released there will be additional Phase II footage included that the general public has not yet seen.
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That's what I thought too, but Andy Probert did an interview in ST THE MAG that mentioned very specifically (and in direct opposition to every other thing I had heard) that the battle bridge did not use the movie/phase II bridge, but instead used the extra several 'skins' that were produced during phase II construction. You'd have to pull out the old starlogs with the Susan Sackett reports (or the issue of FANTASTIC FILMS that shows the phase 2 bridge under construction) to verify, but I think they built four or six extra sections of bridge in addition to the full phase II bridge, and that these were to be used as other ships or if they broke something or needed to blow something up. Certainly ELEMENTS of the phase2/tmp bridge are there, but I guess based on Probert's comments that the bulk of the upper section is actually unused phase 2 skins, not tmp redresses. This ties in with the comments that there was so much cat crap on the bridge when GR and Justman did their walkthrough that they felt they couldn't use the movie bridge ... maybe that was their excuse to NOT use the tmp bridge at that time, and it might explain why the tmp bridge was stored outside and subsequently serious water damaged.
At any rate, I do remember seeing a closeup pic of the phase 2 era stations, and I'm REASONABLY sure that the third season TNG ep BOOBY TRAP used these same exact pieces (which look different than they do on TMP) for the insert shots of the captain's log on the alien ship.) So the extra skins may have seen use not only as the majority of the battle bridge, but also as other alien ships when needed early on in TNG.
A frame from test footage of a Mike Minor-designed console on the partially completed bridge set. Instrumentation design by Lee Cole:
[image]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/136/phase2372lg9.png[/image]
As far as I know, nothing but this, the Engineering test footage and some make-up test shots were filmed.
[image]http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/136/phase2372lg9.png[/image]
As far as I know, nothing but this, the Engineering test footage and some make-up test shots were filmed.
Thanks for posting this! 
Ottens said:
A frame from test footage of a Mike Minor-designed console on the partially completed bridge set. Instrumentation design by Lee Cole:
As far as I know, nothing but this, the Engineering test footage and some make-up test shots were filmed.
Interesting piece, thank you. And it's comforting to know that in the late 23rd century they'll still be using the Commodore PET.Ottens said:
A frame from test footage of a Mike Minor-designed console on the partially completed bridge set. Instrumentation design by Lee Cole:
As far as I know, nothing but this, the Engineering test footage and some make-up test shots were filmed.
that is the communication console from ST Phase 2 and later on TMP com console! great pic BTWNebusj said:
Interesting piece, thank you. And it's comforting to know that in the late 23rd century they'll still be using the Commodore PET.Ottens said:
A frame from test footage of a Mike Minor-designed console on the partially completed bridge set. Instrumentation design by Lee Cole:
As far as I know, nothing but this, the Engineering test footage and some make-up test shots were filmed.
Nebusj:
You've see this right?
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=31&pos=15
Look what's on Kirk's desk just under McCoy's chin. They literally ARE using Commodore PETs! Or is it just another one of Kirk's "antiques"?
You've see this right?
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=31&pos=15
Look what's on Kirk's desk just under McCoy's chin. They literally ARE using Commodore PETs! Or is it just another one of Kirk's "antiques"?
It was mainly a redress of "Robot's Return", Gene's "Genesis II" script (seemingly inspired by a concept in "The Changeling") that Alan Dean Foster turned into a story for Harold Livingston to turn into "In Thy Image".
True, but several of the Phase II scripts were very similar to specific TOS episodes. You can imagine that there were several core concepts and ideas Roddenbery et al came back to (or would have come back to) on more than one occasion.
---I still think TMP was basically a rip-off of "The Changeling"---
You think?
You think?
Trek ripped itself off with regularity. Q was Trelane and Charlie was raised by the Q.
Ilia was Troi, Riker was Will Decker, Data was Spock, Pulaski was McCoy. The EMH was a Vulcan McCoy (gotta shake it up a bit).
And yes, V'Ger was Nomad. Even Cyrano Jones was only a hair's breadth away from Harry Mudd. And, without citing a list of specifics, even Berman & Braga ripped THEMselves off in VOY from TNG with regularity.
DS9 very likely did some of that as well, but since B&B mostly ignored Terok Nor, it wasn't QUITE as immediately evident by comparison.
Ilia was Troi, Riker was Will Decker, Data was Spock, Pulaski was McCoy. The EMH was a Vulcan McCoy (gotta shake it up a bit).
And yes, V'Ger was Nomad. Even Cyrano Jones was only a hair's breadth away from Harry Mudd. And, without citing a list of specifics, even Berman & Braga ripped THEMselves off in VOY from TNG with regularity.
DS9 very likely did some of that as well, but since B&B mostly ignored Terok Nor, it wasn't QUITE as immediately evident by comparison.
Mostly DS9 ripped off old movies.
It's really a shame there wasn't a really good, well fleshed out set of scripts early during the Phase II project.
If there had been the series might have launched before the series-movie Paramount indecision ping pong game began.
Then they might have gotten the budget to hire a good staff of writers, or recruited some really good guest writers.
As each year passes, there seems to be less and less capable writers.
Not just in Sci-Fi, but industry wide.
If there had been the series might have launched before the series-movie Paramount indecision ping pong game began.
Then they might have gotten the budget to hire a good staff of writers, or recruited some really good guest writers.
As each year passes, there seems to be less and less capable writers.
Not just in Sci-Fi, but industry wide.
I mostly liked DS9.
It had it's problems. It went off the metaphysical deep end to a ridiculous degree near the end.
But during most of it's time it was centered around it's characters and how they as representatives of future mankind dealt with space exploration.
The subtext always there was whether we deserve to survive. Whether we will be able to overcome our baser drives in the future and earn the right to flourish.
But always answering those questions through characters we could both see a little of ourselves in and come to understand.
Too much of the other Treks forget that and obsess over technology and grandiose time-hoping, epic stories filled with characters that rarely have enough depth to them.
Grandiose, "big picture" time-hoping Trek that B & B over-used ad nauseum.
Th eproblem was, the Paramout network was doomed, and it's probably safe to say part of what precipitated TMP was that Paramount knew their 4th network was DOA, and they figured, what with Star Wars making the bucks, they could make some bank on this project they'd almost gotten going, but had no venue for.
IIRC, "Phase II" was well ahead of TOS at its same point. TOS was desperately running out of camera-ready script material, and thus "The Menagerie" two-parter was conceived to stave off problems for two more weeks. Gene had a lot of SF novelists pitching TOS scripts and many had never written for series TV before, and this meant they had a lot of rewriting to fit a TV budget.
But a full year ahead of starting work on "In Thy Image", the "Phase II" writers had about 13 hours of stories in hand, most of them way beyond first drafts.
The cast of extras, walk-ons and two-liners were told that a series of telemovies or one-hour episodes would likely start rolling as soon as TMP was in cinemas, and many of them fully expected they'd soon be called back.
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