Star Trek, made in the 21st century.
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My proposals to keep make an updated trek.
Have a character that is blatantly narcissistic. A womanizer, a risk taker, a person that takes credit for the work of others etc.
A captain that is actually choosing from one bad choice for another bad choice. Also remove the supremely confident captain.
Focus on how red shirts are at such high risk.
Rebrand warp technology, as being something that is more directly and simply a warp bubble. Make transporters a dimensional warp jump etc, while making it clear that it can't jump through dense matter, requires a transporter room to operate. Basically steel the whole gravitity thinger from interstellar, and keep to a simple narrative and explanation of what it is. And don't deux machina the hell of the tech.
It's a relatively consistent and limited technology, that never gets over explained.
Spend way more time focusing on the diversity of dwarf planets and exoplanets.
Ensure that aliens are consistent.
Either they are direct genetic cousins, or make them star fish aliens. A general rule of thumb, if you can't see a parallel species on earth they must be cgi. I.e. have a species that clearly has bear like features, canine, reptillian etc. If they are simply forehead ridges make it bloody clear that they evolved from a primate species.
Establish an ancient alien's ark.
Reintroduce god like aliens, as being a species that is post singularity. However there powers are not magic, and as was the norm, they are not accepted as gods, but challenged by scientific inquiry.
Show the borg has being directly tranhumanist and nature.
Account for the lack of genetic engineering among other species.
Have more data like androids, however establish there logical limits.
Make holodecks as a blended reality offering. Sure you can see things that aren't actually there but you can't touch them. All interactions are with real things like robots, etc.
Replicators are 3d printers, and they have an established max printing resolution, that doesn't allow for the printing of warp cores etc.
Force fields have a limited range, and clearly travel along emitters.
Phasers are some sorta of a laser technology, or something more similiar to a flame thrower(possibly a plasma ejector).
Artiphysical gravity, requires a warp. Shuttle pods etc, are not capable of going to warp, nor do they have artificial gravity.
Have a character that is blatantly narcissistic. A womanizer, a risk taker, a person that takes credit for the work of others etc.
A captain that is actually choosing from one bad choice for another bad choice. Also remove the supremely confident captain.
Focus on how red shirts are at such high risk.
Rebrand warp technology, as being something that is more directly and simply a warp bubble. Make transporters a dimensional warp jump etc, while making it clear that it can't jump through dense matter, requires a transporter room to operate. Basically steel the whole gravitity thinger from interstellar, and keep to a simple narrative and explanation of what it is. And don't deux machina the hell of the tech.
It's a relatively consistent and limited technology, that never gets over explained.
Spend way more time focusing on the diversity of dwarf planets and exoplanets.
Ensure that aliens are consistent.
Either they are direct genetic cousins, or make them star fish aliens. A general rule of thumb, if you can't see a parallel species on earth they must be cgi. I.e. have a species that clearly has bear like features, canine, reptillian etc. If they are simply forehead ridges make it bloody clear that they evolved from a primate species.
Establish an ancient alien's ark.
Reintroduce god like aliens, as being a species that is post singularity. However there powers are not magic, and as was the norm, they are not accepted as gods, but challenged by scientific inquiry.
Show the borg has being directly tranhumanist and nature.
Account for the lack of genetic engineering among other species.
Have more data like androids, however establish there logical limits.
Make holodecks as a blended reality offering. Sure you can see things that aren't actually there but you can't touch them. All interactions are with real things like robots, etc.
Replicators are 3d printers, and they have an established max printing resolution, that doesn't allow for the printing of warp cores etc.
Force fields have a limited range, and clearly travel along emitters.
Phasers are some sorta of a laser technology, or something more similiar to a flame thrower(possibly a plasma ejector).
Artiphysical gravity, requires a warp. Shuttle pods etc, are not capable of going to warp, nor do they have artificial gravity.
I would think just the opposite, in the 1960's space was high in the public awareness, the space race was on. News of space activities was regularly in the media. Astronauts were famous.
Today, not so much. Ask someone in the street to name a few current astronauts and they would likely be unable to name even one. The news media doesn't bother covering launches (from Russia), unless it a really slow news day.
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For an ancient alien arc I thought it would be interesting to incorporate the aliens that are popular among UFOlogists and the cosmic New Agers, like the Pleiadians/Plejarens, the "Grays", and some of the others.
I wouldn't use those names, but some species inspired by them. I don't recall them ever getting a treatment in Trek, and it might be worthwhile to look into them.
I wouldn't use those names, but some species inspired by them. I don't recall them ever getting a treatment in Trek, and it might be worthwhile to look into them.
Well I think the general idea would be to maintain existing alien races, and reintroduce them in a more modern landscape.
Much the way klingons were given forehead ridges etc.
For example take each prexisting race and add in minor twists to make the race free of the baggage of the past.
Show each race to be evolved from a specific exoplanet system.
Use cgi to make klingons to appear larger as if they evolved on a planet with lower gravity.
Show the gorn and cardassians to be evolved from the same reptoid family.
Establish each race to co exist with known physiological profiles.
I.e. Establish cardassians as inherently pyschopathic, and establish how they are able to have a functional society where one is incapable of moral thinking.
I known this topic might seem like a pet issue of mine, but I think it's incredibly relevant in a world where mental health awareness is far more common.
EDIT: a key point being you are rewarded for knowing your established canon.
If vulcans and romulans are related, why not make it that the vulcans are actually the ancestors of romulans.
With the vulcans being an acient race that is incredibly stagnated, with the romulans being an up and comer whose's fate is still up in the air, are they the bad guys, do they need logic, etc etc.
It'd be interesting if romulans were descended from vulcans who were considered mentally ill.
i.e. they were viewed as genetically bound to be criminals and were expelled in prisoner colonies.
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That's actually very much mislead assumption.
The reality is that much of excitement of the space race was caused by government propaganda, also keeping in mind that there were only a hand full of missions and astronauts that adult society truly cared about.
Sure it inspired a generation of children but so did tng, star wars etc.
The key point is people are actually in an era where actual space science is interesting to people. People don't know any astronauts because the moon isn't a point of interest.
The buzz around exoplanets is actually alot larger than I think most people realize.
It's fine in a reboot to reintroduce the same species, but you can add new ones too. Each species is already assumed to have evolved on their own star systems, albeit with apparent intervention and manipulation from an ancient civilization, in Ttek. So I am not sure what you want to do differently in that regard.
As for the individual species ideas. We should probably stay away from Planet of Hats civilizations where everyone on the planet wears the same clothes, same religion, same language, same hairstyle, same mannerisms, same personality type, demeanor, etc. For instance, aside from any questions about the socio-cultural-evolutionary plausibility of an entire species of psychopaths, I would stay away from the "Everyone from this planet is X" story telling convention, ie warlike, Stoical, etc.
KLINGONS
I'd go the opposite way. We should say their bone and muscle density is higher than human. A lower gravity world might do the opposite. They would then find Earth gravity to be heavy.
VULCANS/ROMULANS
I am not sure it matters which way you do it. Vulcans left warlike Romulus or Romulans left Vulcan. For that reason, I am not sure that the value of switching it would be. Why would it matter which way the migration went?
There is a question about Romulan and Vulcan "stagnation". If they had sublight interstellar capability at least as early as the 9th century BC (in order to establish P'Jem) why so long until Warp?
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One thought I did have is that the Vulcans had warp thousand of years ago, but would periodically lose the ability (loss of support infrastructure) because of wars on Vulcan. Also given the supposed warlike nature of the Vulcan culture in historical times, it would be easy to imagine interstellar conflict between independent former colonies and the Vulcan homeworld government/government.
Wars aside, there could be loss of warp because of economic factors, or the Vulcan culture changing direction. During ENT, T'Pol did suggest that Vulcans of that time weren't inquisitive or interested in exploration. But the existence of the Vulcan star charts point to this not always being the way things were.
America used to be able to send people to the moon, now we can't even get people into orbit on our own.
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Rebuild Klingon, Vulcan, Romulan, and the others from scratch.
Klingon should be create by today CGI technology. They shouldn't look like a leather jacket biker gang. Maybe we can make their hands bigger and their body full of muscles. They can move faster than ordinary human, and have extraordinary stamina. So no way normal human can beat this creature in melee combat. It will be like human fights against an adult Tiger. While fighting against Klingon, Human has to rely on weaponry, like rifle, etc. Or maybe armor, like the power armor in the game of Fallout.
Vulcan behavior should be more of genetic than discipline. They are creature who can't express emotion. Their skin should be more like jade. Not the same of human's skin. and their hand has some sort of neural kind of weapon that make them capable to mind meld or doing Spock martial art technique.
Vulcan and Romulan are smaller than Human. Their eyes can see better in the dark than human. And their brain is bigger than us. But their body is weaker, although not too much. A Vulcan Martial Artist can match any Human martial Artist in a melee combat.
Vulcan has no tendency to explore. They tend to live at their own doorstep. It is us, the human who visit their home world, mot vice versa, like in the Star Trek First Contact.
Klingon should be create by today CGI technology. They shouldn't look like a leather jacket biker gang. Maybe we can make their hands bigger and their body full of muscles. They can move faster than ordinary human, and have extraordinary stamina. So no way normal human can beat this creature in melee combat. It will be like human fights against an adult Tiger. While fighting against Klingon, Human has to rely on weaponry, like rifle, etc. Or maybe armor, like the power armor in the game of Fallout.
Vulcan behavior should be more of genetic than discipline. They are creature who can't express emotion. Their skin should be more like jade. Not the same of human's skin. and their hand has some sort of neural kind of weapon that make them capable to mind meld or doing Spock martial art technique.
Vulcan and Romulan are smaller than Human. Their eyes can see better in the dark than human. And their brain is bigger than us. But their body is weaker, although not too much. A Vulcan Martial Artist can match any Human martial Artist in a melee combat.
Vulcan has no tendency to explore. They tend to live at their own doorstep. It is us, the human who visit their home world, mot vice versa, like in the Star Trek First Contact.
I think the Space Race had as much to do with the interest in space that prompted things like "Forbidden Planet" and "Star Trek" and the like. I think it prompted a more mainstream idea of this is something that the country was doing as a whole and that the astronauts were special because of it.
I started reading about the Apollo missions long before I saw Star Trek or Star Wars. I had books upon books relating to the lunar landings and wondering how they managed to do it.
The level of space interest is there, but it doesn't capture the attention of a nation because, as propagandized as it sounds, the Space Race was a matter of national pride-good, bad or indifferent.
Sorry, I don't buy that people are more interested in space because of Star Trek and Star Wars than a lunar mission that was very, very, hazardous.
I think that would also be an interesting aspect of a new Trek series being that space travel is a part of everyday life, and that many people, not just the elite few, are able to go in to space and work. It is a very fantastic idea that, for all its other faults, ENT managed to capture a little bit of the uniqueness of space travel.
A show that communicates both the wonder of it, as well as a bit of the routine aspect of space travel would be something that could interest an audience as well. I mean, with all the data that is coming in from different probes, you could do some fun shots heading out of the solar system.
"Oh, look, we are coming up on Pluto." And a cadet would run to check it out. Do a CGI render based upon latest data and get a beauty shot of the ship going out beyond the Solar System.
Sounds good to me.
I started reading about the Apollo missions long before I saw Star Trek or Star Wars. I had books upon books relating to the lunar landings and wondering how they managed to do it.
The level of space interest is there, but it doesn't capture the attention of a nation because, as propagandized as it sounds, the Space Race was a matter of national pride-good, bad or indifferent.
Sorry, I don't buy that people are more interested in space because of Star Trek and Star Wars than a lunar mission that was very, very, hazardous.
I think that would also be an interesting aspect of a new Trek series being that space travel is a part of everyday life, and that many people, not just the elite few, are able to go in to space and work. It is a very fantastic idea that, for all its other faults, ENT managed to capture a little bit of the uniqueness of space travel.
A show that communicates both the wonder of it, as well as a bit of the routine aspect of space travel would be something that could interest an audience as well. I mean, with all the data that is coming in from different probes, you could do some fun shots heading out of the solar system.
"Oh, look, we are coming up on Pluto." And a cadet would run to check it out. Do a CGI render based upon latest data and get a beauty shot of the ship going out beyond the Solar System.
Sounds good to me.
I think that is the absolute worst idea, however I like the rest of what you said.
However the vulcans how stick is the contradiction of their past and present.
I wouldn't mind rethinking the aliens in a reboot, but I would focus on changes that would improve storytelling while at all times conscious of the costs of producing a show. I wouldn't put in anything that needlessly complicates production or increases costs.
You don't have to make all Klingons CGI, so I wouldnt. Makeup is up to the task. I wouldn't change the Vulcans much. Not their skin, or height since there is no storytelling need or advantage in doing that, and only makes production harder.
I would certainly not change that they have emotions. Overcoming war and their passions with Logic is a defining civilizational achievement of the Vulcans. It is and was a struggle for them, and we want sources of struggle in characters.
It would probably have been easier to not have said they established an interstellar monastery in the 9th century BC.
Quark is under the impression that Vulcans didnt have Warp prior to 1947 and Soval told Admiral Armstrong that it took Vulcan 1500 years to do what humanity did in 100 years. Ie rebuild their world and go to the stars. If that refers to the wars at the time of Surak, we'd be looking at sometime between the 18th and 20th centuries for Vulcan warp.
It's clear the warlike period ended a very long time ago for Vulcan.
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Enhancing what is I think is mostly better.
I'd make the vulcans slightly more alien but nothing extreme.
Basically exaggerate there thing frame and make them appear taller.
Klingons I'd actually make em more like tos era.
With more of a caveman forehead ridges, and more attractive features. i.e. dark skinned people that are relatively attractive, I don't see the need for ugly klingons, I'd think they'd appear far more sinister and interesting if they had a ironic sex appeal.
It would probably have been easier to not have said they established an interstellar monastery in the 9th century BC.
Quark is under the impression that Vulcans didnt have Warp prior to 1947 and Soval told Admiral Armstrong that it took Vulcan 1500 years to do what humanity did in 100 years. Ie rebuild their world and go to the stars. If that refers to the wars at the time of Surak, we'd be looking at sometime between the 18th and 20th centuries for Vulcan warp.
It's clear the warlike period ended a very long time ago for Vulcan.
I would make the vulcans far older than they are in the original universe, I think the last of truly ancient aliens that survive to the present really is the biggest flaw in modern trek.
Aliens would of been around for millions of years, tos had that part right, and there should be way more focus on the idea that earth is a very new civilization.
Quark is under the impression that Vulcans didnt have Warp prior to 1947 and Soval told Admiral Armstrong that it took Vulcan 1500 years to do what humanity did in 100 years. Ie rebuild their world and go to the stars. If that refers to the wars at the time of Surak, we'd be looking at sometime between the 18th and 20th centuries for Vulcan warp.
It's clear the warlike period ended a very long time ago for Vulcan.
I would make the vulcans far older than they are in the original universe, I think the last of truly ancient aliens that survive to the present really is the biggest flaw in modern trek.
Aliens would of been around for millions of years, tos had that part right, and there should be way more focus on the idea that earth is a very new civilization.
One thing that I think would totally enhance the trek universe is having more dynamic career paths for our characters.
One thing that is ultra common in modern high tier television is that characters have a stream of ups and downs.
Have characters loose there ranks, gain em back, quit their jobs, etc.
One thing that is ultra common in modern high tier television is that characters have a stream of ups and downs.
Have characters loose there ranks, gain em back, quit their jobs, etc.
What they should have are promotions, reassignments and crew rotations. Old characters move on, new characters come in. There are enough successful shows that do cast changes to show that you can do it.
I wouldn't have minded having more highly advanced and ancient species around. It seems like Trek has some of them evolve into energy beings or attain some kind of other dimensional existence.
Having some far older, far more advanced species in a recurring role might be interesting. Not in the sense of the Bajoran Prophets, but like the Time Lords. A reboot could have the Vulcans as an ancient civilization that is far, far more advanced than Earth or the Federation.
