Star Trek is a Batman Begins Reboot

[The Super Brando]

Despite the writers' claims to the contrary, the new movie IS a reboot, but the idea that it's a TOTAL reboot - ala 'Batman Begins' - is a false one. The film does the same thing that 'Casino Royale' did for the James Bond franchise, rebooting and rejuvinating the property while still incorporating or referencing elements from previous iterations. The primary difference between 'Casino Royale' and 'Star Trek', however, is that ST offers an explanation - multiple explanations, actually - for its derivations, while CR did not.

Ah yes, Casino Royale is another great reboot I would compare this too. Even better than Batman Begins. References for the fans, the essence of the characters is the same, even some facts in the reboot are the same as the old, but not the same universe.

But remember that Casino Royale didn't say anything like, "everything from the Connery movies is the same continuity as this new movie, but then after that it's a different timeline."

That would be silly, and wouldn't make any sense. When they make future Bond movies they will not adhere to any continuity or timeline from any Bond movie from before the reboot, because it's not the same "universe". I think Star Trek is exactly the same here as the Bond reboot.

 

[Eddie Roth]

Again, and I will say this as many times as it's necessary: Why is it so hard to think of this film as a sequel? Sort of like "the audience goes wherever Spock goes". He is in the late 24th century... our last contact with Star Trek (ENT aside). Then he travels back in time to the 23rd, where he will now live out the rest of his days. Most things about this 23rd century are familiar to him because, of course, he's been there before. But several other things have changed, so it's a brand new 23rd century for him. It's his past at the same time as it is his present and future.

Same for us. Star Trek is a sequel that happens to take us back to the past. No different universe, just different details.

 

[Cyke101]

Despite the writers' claims to the contrary, the new movie IS a reboot, but the idea that it's a TOTAL reboot - ala 'Batman Begins' - is a false one. The film does the same thing that 'Casino Royale' did for the James Bond franchise, rebooting and rejuvinating the property while still incorporating or referencing elements from previous iterations. The primary difference between 'Casino Royale' and 'Star Trek', however, is that ST offers an explanation - multiple explanations, actually - for its derivations, while CR did not.

Ah yes, Casino Royale is another great reboot I would compare this too. Even better than Batman Begins. References for the fans, the essence of the characters is the same, even some facts in the reboot are the same as the old, but not the same universe.

But remember that Casino Royale didn't say anything like, "everything from the Connery movies is the same continuity as this new movie, but then after that it's a different timeline."

That would be silly, and wouldn't make any sense. When they make future Bond movies they will not adhere to any continuity or timeline from any Bond movie from before the reboot, because it's not the same "universe". I think Star Trek is exactly the same here as the Bond reboot.

I think Countdown would be that explanation. After all, Orci and Kurtzman came up with the plot for that book and Abrams commissioned the story. If that's not a link to the other universe, I don't know what is.

 

[J Archer]

I ask you, what is this "nuTrek"

 

[Hober Mallow]

Super Brando is right. It's a reboot. Exactly what Star Trek needed.

 

[Cyke101]

Super Brando is right. It's a reboot. Exactly what Star Trek needed.

It's a reboot, it's not exactly a Batman Begins reboot. Whatever reason the real reason for Nimoy to be there, no matter how cynical that reason may be, it's still a link to what came before. The writers even cited "Parallels" as to why the universe is possible.

 

[Eddie Roth]

I think Countdown would be that explanation. After all, Orci and Kurtzman came up with the plot for that book and Abrams commissioned the story. If that's not a link to the other universe, I don't know what is.

True. Countdown was such a fanwank with all its references to past Treks. I liked it a lot, yes, but it went so wild with that TNG reunion aspect. And since the comic is "official", it is everybody's connection to the other timeline if the explanation in the movie itself wasn't enough. Then take that brief comic they had in that magazine (was it Wired?) with Spock musing on his past on Delta Vega... Why would that Spock not be from the first universe?

 

[-Brett-]

Just got back from seeing the flick. I agree with The Super Brando. The physics of the Star Trek universe seem to have changed, with black holes and supernovas behaving completely differently than they have before (or than they do in real life). Spock's time travel shenanigans aren't enough to explain that. Whole 'nother universe. Similar to the old, but distinct.

Not that that's a bad thing.

 

[Cyke101]

The physics of the Star Trek universe seem to have changed, with black holes and supernovas behaving completely differently than they have before (or than they do in real life). Spock's time travel shenanigans aren't enough to explain that. Whole 'nother universe. Similar to the old, but distinct.

I disagree with this, only because even prior to this movie, Trek had a dozen examples where time travel/temporal consequence worked differently, as do black holes/singularities (as wormholes, as warp engines, as traps, etc. etc.). The only thing that seemed consistent was that supernovas = mass destruction

 

[Sephiroth]

this movie DOES settle an age old arguement, Picard would have torn those cadets apart in that bar fight

 

[Sephiroth]

Just got back from seeing the flick. I agree with The Super Brando. The physics of the Star Trek universe seem to have changed, with black holes and supernovas behaving completely differently than they have before (or than they do in real life). Spock's time travel shenanigans aren't enough to explain that. Whole 'nother universe. Similar to the old, but distinct.

Not that that's a bad thing.

I did enjoy the semi-soundless space

 

[Cyke101]

this movie DOES settle an age old arguement, Picard would have torn those cadets apart in that bar fight

Well, to be fair:

1. Kirk was clearly intoxicated during that fight
2. Those cadets didn't try and skewer Kirk through the heart