But wasn't the landing party unable to return to the ship, because the Eminians were trying to fire disruptors and forced the Enterprise to be out of range and keep her shields up?
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But wasn't the landing party unable to return to the ship, because the Eminians were trying to fire disruptors and forced the Enterprise to be out of range and keep her shields up?
The Enterprise had moved to a higher orbit where the Eminian weapons were unable to reach. Nothing had been said about it being moved beyond transporter range that I can remember.
Plus, Ambassador Fox and his aide were apparently able to beam to the surface even though the shields were up.
Nope, Fox ordered Scotty to lower the shields. There was the whole confrontation scene on the bridge with Scotty saying he won't lower the shields. Anon had said that once the shields were down for Fox's transport to open fire on Enterprise.
It's not the transporter range, but the Enterprise had to keep her shields up from the Eminian disruptors and the landing party couldn't return to the ship.
The only way they were going to get back was to either force them to not fire on Enterprise (and given how desperate the Eminians were to maintain the order of things, Anon couldn't be trusted) or destroy the weaponry and operations they used for the landing party to return.
Then how did Ambassador Fox and his aide get to the surface?
A Taste of Armageddon said:
I just watched the episode a few days ago, and at no point did Scotty lower the shields. He risked his career to keep the Enterprise safe, and there was a mention by Fox that lowering shields was just a gesture of "good faith".
Right at the time Kirk decided to destroy the computers, his crew (with Spock's help) had already overpowered the Eminians. They had captured the high council, kept the Enterprise out of range from the disruptors and could potentially wipe out all life on the planet with General Order 24. Even if they could not beam up, the show never implied that the war computers they destroyed were responsible for blocking transporters.
Kirk was pretty clear about his intentions of destroying the computers, he wanted to teach both the Eminians and the Vendikar a lesson. It may be about saving the crew before, but by that time he had the upper hand and wanted to stop the killing once and for all.
My fault. I thought it was implied that the screens were lowered to allow Fox to beam down.
(OK, sorry for going back a few pages, but I found a browser tab with a written reply.)
These are still assumptions. Klingons throughout Star Trek have acted in pretty unexpected ways, and I don't think we know if he would have stabbed Uhura, particularly when she is unarmed and is babbling about honour. For all we know, she had succeeded, and the Klingon was dragging out his knife in some kind of display, or it would have led to a confrontation she could have handled. When someone as cowardly as Quark has managed to handle a Klingon drawing out his blade, you seriously think Uhura wouldn't? We don't know what would have happened, though we do know that the writers wouldn't have let him stab her regardless if Khan was there or not. Khan interrupted whatever was unfolding, whether he saved Uhura, or prevented her from shining.
Yes, the intention was obviously to show Khan saving everybody and taking a several dozen Klingons alone, but we didn't see Uhura fail at anything either. All I saw was her doing a stellar job the result of which remains unknown.
Oh, and she saved the life of Kirk and Spock at the end. That's something of value, the lack of which seems to bother Jeyl.
These are still assumptions. Klingons throughout Star Trek have acted in pretty unexpected ways, and I don't think we know if he would have stabbed Uhura, particularly when she is unarmed and is babbling about honour. For all we know, she had succeeded, and the Klingon was dragging out his knife in some kind of display, or it would have led to a confrontation she could have handled. When someone as cowardly as Quark has managed to handle a Klingon drawing out his blade, you seriously think Uhura wouldn't? We don't know what would have happened, though we do know that the writers wouldn't have let him stab her regardless if Khan was there or not. Khan interrupted whatever was unfolding, whether he saved Uhura, or prevented her from shining.
Yes, the intention was obviously to show Khan saving everybody and taking a several dozen Klingons alone, but we didn't see Uhura fail at anything either. All I saw was her doing a stellar job the result of which remains unknown.
Oh, and she saved the life of Kirk and Spock at the end. That's something of value, the lack of which seems to bother Jeyl.
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