Star Trek III: The Search For Spock re-edit suggestions
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Burial in space is a staple of Trek, akin to burial at sea in real life. I would suppose that, unless someone specifically asks for a different kind of burial, burial at space would be the usual tradition.
I doubt it. Esteban, Saavik, and David were genuinely suprised when the tube was found. Saavik had to develop a theory about how it happened. Seeing as she was on the Enterprise when the funeral was conducted, the only way I can see Kirk knowing about the tube landing but not Saavik would be that she was too busy with Dr. McCoy giving her plastic surgery and height-supplement treatments to have been on the bridge when it happened.
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Nah. Too pointless for me, as I like the film as is. I just imagine a Captain's Log that Kirk might've done where he says that he just heard the news of the tube in the Genesis planet having been discovered.
That said, over the years I have never heard complaints about it that related to how crap the story was, but rather at how slow it is, and I wondered if a re-edit could fix this film.
That said, if I were to re-edit any Trek film, it'd be either Final Frontier or Nemesis. Especially the latter, whose deleted scenes would've elevated the film to a much better status, given the character-related stuff that got cut.
I've never heard anyone say it is slow--it is the shortest of the first 6 movies.
I think the pace is fine. The altering of Saavik, the death of David, the abandonment of Carol, the hiring of a comic actor to play a Klingon instead of using the alive and still acting Ansara, Colicos or Campbell, the cheap planet set, the use of the 'funny eared alien' when they could have used the still alive Roger C Carmel as the rouge pilot, the making of ALL Starfleet personel as fools, fops, bigots, incompetants and jerks--those are some complaints I've heard
I think the pace is fine. The altering of Saavik, the death of David, the abandonment of Carol, the hiring of a comic actor to play a Klingon instead of using the alive and still acting Ansara, Colicos or Campbell, the cheap planet set, the use of the 'funny eared alien' when they could have used the still alive Roger C Carmel as the rouge pilot, the making of ALL Starfleet personel as fools, fops, bigots, incompetants and jerks--those are some complaints I've heard
I think Lloyd actually did a fine job in the role. However, he is very recognizable and the association with Reverend Jim and Doc Brown is unfortunate.
As for William Campbell, no thanks. He was fine in The Trouble With Tribbles, but wouldn’t have been a good fit for TSFS. After the mainstream success of TWOK, I don’t think they were terribly concerned with continuity porn in TSFS (tribbles aside).
I agree he did a fine job in the role. But his recognition as Doc Brown is an after affect due to the fact that Trek III actually came out a year before Back to the Future.
some of those suggestions seem awfully fanwankish.(Kang, Harry Mudd for a small cameo, etc.)
The worst thing about III, really, for me anyway, is that it feels like II.5 a lot of the time. As if its more occupied following that film than being its own story, which is in direct contrast to the rest of the "good" films (II, IV and VI), all of which tried to be their own film first, and a companion piece later.
The use of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scott, Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, Rand, Chapel, Khan, Sarek, Amanda and Kyle is okay, but considering Kang, Kor, Koloth or Mudd is fanwankish? 
And Lloyd was hugely well known before BTTF from Cukoo's Nest and Reverend Jim on Taxi where he won an Emmy. Nimoy admitted he was taking a chance hiring a comic actor but went ahead- results not great IMO
I think either Colicos or Ansara could have done well in as the Klingon adversary, Campbell would be my third choice. The money they saved on a less in demand actor they could have used spucing up the lame 'planet' sets.
And Lloyd was hugely well known before BTTF from Cukoo's Nest and Reverend Jim on Taxi where he won an Emmy. Nimoy admitted he was taking a chance hiring a comic actor but went ahead- results not great IMO
I think either Colicos or Ansara could have done well in as the Klingon adversary, Campbell would be my third choice. The money they saved on a less in demand actor they could have used spucing up the lame 'planet' sets.
The use of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scott, Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, Rand, Chapel, Khan, Sarek, Amanda and Kyle is okay, but considering Kang, Kor, Koloth or Mudd is fanwankish?
And Lloyd was hugely well known before BTTF from Cukoo's Nest and Reverend Jim on Taxi where he won an Emmy. Nimoy admitted he was taking a chance hiring a comic actor but went ahead- results not great IMO
I think either Colicos or Ansara could have done well in as the Klingon adversary, Campbell would be my third choice. The money they saved on a less in demand actor they could have used spucing up the lame 'planet' sets.
Ummm.... Kirk, Spock, McCoy, etc. are uh... actual regular members of the crew. They're going to be there. Rand and Chapel were both significant recurring characters. Khan was the main villain in a movie, where the story was a natural sequel to "space seed." Sarek's use made perfect sense in TSFS.
In contrast to that, using Kang just for the sake of it being Kang, and using Mudd just for a small cameo is to me, well yeah, fanwankish.
Yeah, pretty much this. It's the only Trek film that doesn't really tell it's own story. They only ever got six films with all of the original cast, and they used one to basically just undo a few events at the end of TWOK, which is kind of a waste of a film opportunity.
Yeah your right Khan was the main villain in the movie so it's ok, but of course, the Klingon captain wasn't 'the main villain' so it's fanwankish. 
What's fanwankish is bringing Rand in simply out of guilt and pity over her abrupt firing 13 years.
The fact is Ansara would have brought great gravitas to the role and his voice alone would have been worth it. Colicos would have done his usual fione job of elegant villainy.
I guess all the directors from 1984 till now have been wrong about Lloyds dramatic skills since nobody hired him for dramatic parts since then.
What's fanwankish is bringing Rand in simply out of guilt and pity over her abrupt firing 13 years. The fact is Ansara would have brought great gravitas to the role and his voice alone would have been worth it. Colicos would have done his usual fione job of elegant villainy.
I guess all the directors from 1984 till now have been wrong about Lloyds dramatic skills since nobody hired him for dramatic parts since then.
Yeah your right Khan was the main villain in the movie so it's ok, but of course, the Klingon captain wasn't 'the main villain' so it's fanwankish.
The fact is Ansara would have brought great gravitas to the role and his voice alone would have been worth it. Colicos would have done his usual fione job of elegant villainy.
I guess all the directors from 1984 till now have been wrong about Lloyds dramatic skills since nobody hired him for dramatic parts since then.
Wrath of Khan was written to be a literal sequel to "space seed," so you need Khan. TSFS wasn't a sequel to "day of the dove." Yes, if you really think Ansara would've done much better than Lloyd, it would make sense to have him instead, but not just because it was Kang. That's just my $0.02
But if you're doing continuity you'd have to change the Klingons' motivation to make Kang work, as he's got previous experience with Kirk who, frankly, saved his ass.
Yeah I think if you look at Ansara from Dove or Blood Oath, you can see he makes a strong impression of a tough warrior. IMO better than Lloyd--who excelled at comic villainy in Roger Rabbit.
I dont think it needs to be a direct sequel to have Kirk meet an old adversary by chance or even by the macinations of Kang who might have longed for revenge at the percieved insult of losing his ship at Kirk's hands (even if it was the 'hate creatures' fault.)
As for McCoy looking up Harry Mudd......how many shady people does McCoy know after 30 years in Starfleet? Maybe just Mudd. It's a three minute scene--I think it would have been nice and not too hokey. I mean Rand just happened to be standing by the window when Enterprise returned. Wankish? maybe but not terrible.
I dont think it needs to be a direct sequel to have Kirk meet an old adversary by chance or even by the macinations of Kang who might have longed for revenge at the percieved insult of losing his ship at Kirk's hands (even if it was the 'hate creatures' fault.)
As for McCoy looking up Harry Mudd......how many shady people does McCoy know after 30 years in Starfleet? Maybe just Mudd. It's a three minute scene--I think it would have been nice and not too hokey. I mean Rand just happened to be standing by the window when Enterprise returned. Wankish? maybe but not terrible.
Kor makes more sense than Kang in this instance. Kang is left with a degree of respect (albiet grudging) for Kirk. Kor was embarassed at least once by Kirk (twice if you count "The Time Trap" from Animated Trek). Kor getting wind of this new creation, of Kirk's involvement... killing Kirk's son? That would have made for some very dramatic storytelling.
That being said, I feel that Lloyd did fine. The one I always snicker at is John Larroquette (sp) who played Dan Fielding (Night Court). I sometimes imagine him smarting off to his courtroom cronies in full Klingon gear
Rob+
I always really liked Kruge, Lloyd did a great job playing a Klingon. I put him right up there with Campbell, Colicos and Ansara in the Klingon Hall-of-Fame.
Agreed. In hindsight I'm glad they didn't use any of the TOS Klingons, as Blood Oath just wouldn't have been the same.
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