Star Trek II The Wrath of Khan rewrite

[Dukhat]

In "Day of the Dove" a line spoken by Scotty stated that 392 were trapped below deck or something close to that.

Again, you didn't actually see those 392 people, just like you didn't see Chekov in the first season of TOS. But apparently they were both there.

 

[James Wright]

In "Day of the Dove" a line spoken by Scotty stated that 392 were trapped below deck or something close to that.

Again, you didn't actually see those 392 people, just like you didn't see Chekov in the first season of TOS. But apparently they were both there.

Granted, but Checkov wasn't mentioned in the first season while the 392 crew being trapped was, it would have been interesting though to see 430 names scroll when the credits rolled for the episode.
As I said previously, I'll yield on the Checkov question.
James

 

[Ssosmcin]

Nope, don't need proof that the crew is 430, that was established in "Day of the Dove".

James

It was established a lot earlier than that. In "Charlie X" Kirk mentioned there were "428 - to be exact."

 

[Winterwind]

In "Day of the Dove" a line spoken by Scotty stated that 392 were trapped below deck or something close to that.

Again, you didn't actually see those 392 people, just like you didn't see Chekov in the first season of TOS. But apparently they were both there.

Granted, but Checkov wasn't mentioned in the first season while the 392 crew being trapped was, it would have been interesting though to see 430 names scroll when the credits rolled for the episode.
As I said previously, I'll yield on the Checkov question.
James

You do realise that the justification you're using for those 430 is the same justification for Chekov, right? Just saying.

And since you're yielding, yield to the proper spelling. Chekov. Not Checkov.

 

[Search4]

It's not even as hard to reconcile as little astronaut guy doing his merry wave again as the Enterprise pulls out of Spacedock.

I can buy that three Klingon ships flying across the screen will look the same as another three, or that the Enterprise pulling out of dock won't vary that much from time to time, but either he goes out of his way to do that exact same wave to every single ship or it never happened in TMP. Even if you think you saw it. *Insert Twilight Zone theme*.

Perhaps that's his regular job? He's with Cirque du Soleil circa the 23rd century?

The complete repeat of the exit-dock scene always amazes me. For Generations, they rebuilt the dock at least.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The scene works fine with Chekov.

If I could go back to 1982 and dick around with TWOK I wouldn't fuss over nonsense like this. I'd be a lot more interested in including stuff that was cut - bits of scenes with Saavik and David, and so forth - than in rewriting a little bit of continuity inconsistency that doesn't affect the quality of the film at all.

 

[James Wright]

Again, you didn't actually see those 392 people, just like you didn't see Chekov in the first season of TOS. But apparently they were both there.

Granted, but Checkov wasn't mentioned in the first season while the 392 crew being trapped was, it would have been interesting though to see 430 names scroll when the credits rolled for the episode.
As I said previously, I'll yield on the Checkov question.
James

You do realise that the justification you're using for those 430 is the same justification for Chekov, right? Just saying.

And since you're yielding, yield to the proper spelling. Chekov. Not Checkov.

Picky, picky

James

 

[7thsealord]

Pickiness is Russian inwention.

 

[James Wright]

Pickiness is Russian inwention.

I get the impression that it's every nationality that answered this particular thread, not just Russian, by the way, good Chekov impersonation!

James

 

[Captaindemotion]

Granted, but Checkov wasn't mentioned in the first season while the 392 crew being trapped was, it would have been interesting though to see 430 names scroll when the credits rolled for the episode.
As I said previously, I'll yield on the Checkov question.
James

You do realise that the justification you're using for those 430 is the same justification for Chekov, right? Just saying.

And since you're yielding, yield to the proper spelling. Chekov. Not Checkov.

Picky, picky

James

Or Piky?

 

[Ssosmcin]

They could have brought back Lt. Spinelli, but meh. I think the bigger issue is why are there only young hotbodies left to serve Khan? What happened to all the older folks we saw in the episode? And did they really have 8 year olds in the Botany Bay?

 

[James Wright]

You do realise that the justification you're using for those 430 is the same justification for Chekov, right? Just saying.

And since you're yielding, yield to the proper spelling. Chekov. Not Checkov.

Picky, picky

James

Or Piky?

Nuts!

James

 

[7thsealord]

They could have brought back Lt. Spinelli, but meh. I think the bigger issue is why are there only young hotbodies left to serve Khan? What happened to all the older folks we saw in the episode? And did they really have 8 year olds in the Botany Bay?

If they were all genetically enhanced, one thing very probably altered was their aging rate - they might have LOOKED young, but were mostly around Khan's age.

Doesn't explain why Khan aged so much by comparison, I grant you. Obsessing about Kirk for twenty years, maybe?

 

[Winterwind]

It could be because of the obsession with Kirk but since nothing was said onscreen we have no proof. It's definitely something to add to the rewrite.

 

[lstyer]

Yeah, it's a bit of a retcon but such a small and easy one to explain one it's perfectly benign.

I'm not sure I'd even go as far as to call it a retcon. To my mind a retcon contradicts an already-established fact. It was never established that Chekov did not encounter Khan. Khan's lines simply revealed information we didn't previously have.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^According to the novelization, guys, Chekov was a night watchman at the time.

 

[Captrek]

It was already canonical, if you want to nitpick, that Chekov was on the Enterprise during Space Seed. Check the stardates: Catspaw takes place before Space Seed. Chekov was on the ship but hadn't joined the regular bridge crew yet. (He does not appear at the navigation station during Catspaw—he just fills in for Spock at the science station and wears the funny wig.)

 

[Knight Templar]

I never considered this a big deal. Given that Chekov in The Motion Picture is Security Chief/Tactical Officer, I just assumed that Chekov had a background in Security and so was probably a Security Guard at the time of "Space Seed".

This works out nicely as Khan would've had ample chances to meet a number of Enterprise security guards during this incident that we never actually saw ourselves.

 

[Knight Templar]

They could have brought back Lt. Spinelli, but meh. I think the bigger issue is why are there only young hotbodies left to serve Khan? What happened to all the older folks we saw in the episode? And did they really have 8 year olds in the Botany Bay?

Perhaps Kirk dumped all that was left of the Botany Bay on the planet, and after the disaster that disrupted the planets environment, Khan and his people managed to reactivate a number of the suspended animation pods and a number of his followers stayed in them for several years to conserve resources and were only brought out to replace people who were killed.

 

[Therin of Andor]

What happened to all the older folks we saw in the episode? And did they really have 8 year olds in the Botany Bay?

Read Greg Cox's novel, "To Reign in Hell". ST II's Joachim and the other young, blond henchmen and women are rapidly-matured 14-yo offspring, born on Ceti Alpha V, of dark-haired Joaquin and the others seen in "Space Seed". Most of the adults were killed by Ceti eels. A quirk in the genetic manipulation of the parents had all of their children born blond and blue-eyed.