Star Trek Fundamentalism

[xortex]

Paskey had no character, he was just an extra filling another role with few or no scripted lines. That one or more of those roles occasionally got so much as a name is a fluke. The point is he was just one of the disposable crewmen, with no thought necessary on the part of production about a "character history"; anything more than that has been an invention by fans.

And again, we're back to the tired nonsense that just because TOS screwed up once in a while, the concerns related to those mistakes are irrelevant. A "no need to do better" philosophy as rotted as it is lazy.

I prefer the philosophy of hey let's at least try to do as good. You got to be kidding with lt. Leslie being an inconsistancy? It's got to be a joke right. You guys have way too much time on your hands and are too clever for your own sake.

 

[Captain X]

Yes, continuity is so awful. I say they should have the redshirt that died show up at the end of the movie, just because I'm sure he was such a cool guy.

They should do it as a tribute to the original series. Lt. Leslie was such a cool guy he was on the show for a whole year after he died.

Yeah, doing it on purpose is exactly like doing it accidentally and hoping no one would notice you hired the same actor to play different characters.

 

[number6]

Yes, continuity is so awful. I say they should have the redshirt that died show up at the end of the movie, just because I'm sure he was such a cool guy.

They should do it as a tribute to the original series. Lt. Leslie was such a cool guy he was on the show for a whole year after he died.

Yeah, doing it on purpose is exactly like doing it accidentally and hoping no one would notice you hired the same actor to play different characters.

Except He played the same character.

 

[Captain X]

And you totally ignored the first point I made.

 

[number6]

And you totally ignored the first point I made.

And you're assuming you had one.

 

[Captain X]

Yeah, it was that one about doing something on purpose not being the same as doing it by mistake.

 

[The Wormhole]

"Since Paskey portrayed other Enterprise officers, such as Connors and Ryan, it is possible that the cloud creature may have killed either Connors or Ryan instead of Leslie. Assuming that Connors, Leslie and Ryan are in fact three separate individuals, this would explain Paskey's appearances later on in the episode as well as Leslie's presence in future episodes."

But don't let me harsh on your buzz and stuff.

Problem with this theory is that in at least one of his appearances post-Obsession where we see him dead, he is referred to by the name Leslie (in The Omega Glory).

 

[number6]

Yeah, it was that one about doing something on purpose not being the same as doing it by mistake.

That's not really a point. It's an assumption..being made by you.

You're assuming that they didn't know they had killed him off and kept casting him anyway. It is more likely they forgot and didn't think anyone would notice or care.

 

[Captain X]

So you admit that since they forgot that they made a mistake, cool. And my "assumption" was actually an example of how continuity is a good thing, but apparently that point was completely lost on you too.

 

[pookha]

And you totally ignored the first point I made.

but you totally ignored the most important point..


and as i noted before even in some major stuff tos went around screwing its own continunity if the story needed it.

if they dont meet energy based beings until late season two then the organians dont exist and a huge part of tos mythos surrounding the organia peace treaty is in trouble.

the smart thing to do is just pick some of the stuff from canon to use but just say it is almost impossible to make it all fit since even back to tos there were contradictions.

another major one has to do with telepaths.

do you go with the view from where no man or from no truth in beauty...

shrug

 

[Captain X]

Which still doesn't justify the weird antipathy so the dozen or so people in here seem to have against 40 years of established continuity, nor does it in any way justify a reboot.

 

[M'Sharak]

Yes, continuity is so awful. I say they should have the redshirt that died show up at the end of the movie, just because I'm sure he was such a cool guy.

They should do it as a tribute to the original series. Lt. Leslie was such a cool guy he was on the show for a whole year after he died.

They should do it as a tribute to the original series. Lt. Leslie was such a cool guy he was on the show for a whole year after he died.

Yeah, doing it on purpose is exactly like doing it accidentally and hoping no one would notice you hired the same actor to play different characters.

Except He played the same character.

And you totally ignored the first point I made.

And you totally ignored the first point I made.

And you're assuming you had one.

Yeah, it was that one about doing something on purpose not being the same as doing it by mistake.

Yeah, it was that one about doing something on purpose not being the same as doing it by mistake.

That's not really a point. It's an assumption..being made by you.

You're assuming that they didn't know they had killed him off and kept casting him anyway. It is more likely they forgot and didn't think anyone would notice or care.

So you admit that since they forgot that they made a mistake, cool. And my "assumption" was actually an example of how continuity is a good thing, but apparently that point was completely lost on you too.

 

[Captain X]

*right-click, save as*

 

[uniderth]

Hahaha. That image should be the poster for the new movie.

 

[Psion]

Yep ... we definitely need a karma system here at Trek BBS.

 

[pookha]

Which still doesn't justify the weird antipathy so the dozen or so people in here seem to have against 40 years of established continuity, nor does it in any way justify a reboot.

the point still is what is established continuity?? what happens with the contradictions.

at some point a decision has to be made which are the most important aspects to explore and what has to be put aside.

just because a lot of us have an open mind about this movie.. since ghosh well we havent seen it yet dosnt mean we dont respect what has come before.

i for one can see trying to adhere to much of what has gone before could drive someone nuts trying to reconcile some of the stuff.

how to deal with return to tomorrow and errand of mercy.
how to deal with where no man and is there in truth no beauty?

 

[pookha]

snort they need sombrero's

 

[number6]

No, they don't.

 

[Captain X]

the point still is what is established continuity??

TOS, the movies, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT...

what happens with the contradictions.

Since most of them are fairly small, it pretty much depends on the nerd - some of us bitch, some of us try to explain them away, some of us ignore them, some of us acknowledge them and move on, etc.

at some point a decision has to be made which are the most important aspects to explore and what has to be put aside.

And putting everything but names aside is pretty much a bad idea, unless you want to do a reboot (and admit it).

just because a lot of us have an open mind about this movie..

Gushing =/ "open mind" and criticism =/ "closed mind"

since ghosh well we havent seen it yet

I've seen enough to be able to know what I think of it. Watching the movie won't change the fact everything I've seen so far doesn't gel with the Star Trek I know and love. Seems to me there are plenty of people here who have made up their minds in the other direction to, so I can't say I care much for the old "we haven't seen it yet" line since it doesn't really count for anything at this point.

dosnt mean we dont respect what has come before.

Maybe not you specifically, but there are plenty of posters who seem to have loads of fun bashing basically everything that came before this movie.

i for one can see trying to adhere to much of what has gone before could drive someone nuts trying to reconcile some of the stuff.

It's really not that hard, especially since now we have Memory Alpha. Before that we had the Encyclopedias. Hiring a continuity guy helps too.

how to deal with return to tomorrow and errand of mercy.
how to deal with where no man and is there in truth no beauty?

What does that have to do with making a TOS movie that isn't actually a TOS movie?

 

[pookha]

how to deal with return to tomorrow and errand of mercy.
how to deal with where no man and is there in truth no beauty?

What does that have to do with making a TOS movie that isn't actually a TOS movie?

go back and read what i said.
there are major contradictions between those episodes.