Star Trek Fundamentalism
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number6
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I know Somone really well. Bright kid, foreign exchange student. Really does love that word.
There is no difference, for they are the same.
For some on this thread reason is a raging bonfire. But for others it is a dim and distant flicker.
number6
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oh come on now...
some of us know we have to be careful with that shovel..
though i dont know how a zebra will manage it.
hmmmbut you can fall into a pretty big hole if one is too blind love with canon.
for instance..
were is this from..
second season return to tomorrow.
but if sargon and groupies were the first ever energy beings then what happens to the organians???
if you wipe out the organians you wipe out a big chunk of tos considering the peace treaty colors in some way most of the appearances of the klingons .
you can have fun with canon because it can add flavor and enjoyment to the series but fall in love it...it isnt a true suitor all the time.
It has been interesting in several ways, and I'm kind of hoping that reason and restraint prevail and that the slap fight and warnings can be avoided. One thing which might help would be if my earlier advisory in this thread against making remarks personal and taking personally remarks not so intended were heeded a bit better.
I'm seeing a little too much eagerness from some parties to throw things back in the face of another who holds an opposite viewpoint, when it would be just as easy to simply acknowledge it as a different opinion and leave it be. I'm also disappointed at the sparring between "I'm the old guard and I was watching Trek on a coal-fired set that only had one channel, now get off my lawn" and the "this is new Trek, so get out of the way, oldies" contingents, who both seem to be missing the whole point of Star Trek and making the universe a smaller, bitchier place.
But what do I know? I'm not always the best judge of these things, myself. But I remain optimistic... and I have the button to lock the thread if need be.
Plumster
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It has been interesting in several ways, and I'm kind of hoping that reason and restraint prevail and that the slap fight and warnings can be avoided. One thing which might help would be if my earlier advisory in this thread against making remarks personal and taking personally remarks not so intended were heeded a bit better.
I'm seeing a little too much eagerness from some parties to throw things back in the face of another who holds an opposite viewpoint, when it would be just as easy to simply acknowledge it as a different opinion and leave it be. I'm also disappointed at the sparring between "I'm the old guard and I was watching Trek on a coal-fired set that only had one channel, now get off my lawn" and the "this is new Trek, so get out of the way, oldies" contingents, who both seem to be missing the whole point of Star Trek and making the universe a smaller, bitchier place.
But what do I know? I'm not always the best judge of these things, myself. But I remain optimistic... and I have the button to lock the thread if need be.
And all this has a point.
IT ALLUDES TO THE SPLIT IN FANDOM I REFERRED TO ON POST 1..!!
Like I said - I truely beleive in what I'm saying but it does not make me right. You either dig it or you don't.
I don't care so long as the debate is reasonable. The Zebra's struggle with this concept.
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You know I just realizes something if people are concerned about this thread turning into a flame war and that is what the hell are we going to do when th official grading thread hits on May 8th?
Plumster
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Yes - yes.
This debate is bigger than most of what has been alluded to on this thread. It's the split between the Vatican and the English Monarchy.
My OP said I believed there was a split coming in fandom - there will be BA and AA.
Before Abrams & After Abrams.
This thread has been useful in establishing this notion - if there was any doubt that such a idea existed then this thread has gone some way towards establishing this.
Some have discussed that such splits already existed but I think that this misses the point. The work that Abrams has done is clearly so different in concept to anything gone before that what is produced will always split the zebras and the enlightend.
And that's the point for me - I can go on living in the dark ages or I can embrace the overlit bridge of the USS Enterprise and enjoy the ride.
The rest of you are welcome to your cave.
i hate to disillusion you but no it hasnt.
it is just the latest in a long line of similar threads that have appeared here even before this forum was created.
and it still dosnt approach some of what happened when tng was first announced.
there is nothing new under this sun here.
I got the point all the way back there, I think, and I don't believe we're off the rails yet. Debate can continue, as long as it remains reasonable, and it doesn't hurt to remember that it is quite possible to have Zealots on more than one side of an issue, which I suspect was part of your point (or should have been, if such was not the case.) Us reasonable folks here in the middle are just hoping nothing gets irreparably broken.It has been interesting in several ways, and I'm kind of hoping that reason and restraint prevail and that the slap fight and warnings can be avoided. One thing which might help would be if my earlier advisory in this thread against making remarks personal and taking personally remarks not so intended were heeded a bit better.
I'm seeing a little too much eagerness from some parties to throw things back in the face of another who holds an opposite viewpoint, when it would be just as easy to simply acknowledge it as a different opinion and leave it be. I'm also disappointed at the sparring between "I'm the old guard and I was watching Trek on a coal-fired set that only had one channel, now get off my lawn" and the "this is new Trek, so get out of the way, oldies" contingents, who both seem to be missing the whole point of Star Trek and making the universe a smaller, bitchier place.
But what do I know? I'm not always the best judge of these things, myself. But I remain optimistic... and I have the button to lock the thread if need be.
And all this has a point.
IT ALLUDES TO THE SPLIT IN FANDOM I REFERRED TO ON POST 1..!!
Like I said - I truely beleive in what I'm saying but it does not make me right. You either dig it or you don't.
I don't care so long as the debate is reasonable. The Zealot's struggle with this concept.
I don't see why not. They're nice and stripy and all.
DOOOOOOM. The end of everything.
Plumster
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I respect your opinion. You are wrong though.
There was a degree of continuity with TNG and the people associated with the creation of TNG - this is a disconnect from what went before however.
And then we're back into the zebras and canon as well as their idea of what Trek is and how they own the franchise of what is Star Trek.
They cannot bear what is going on - this thread evidences that.
It has been interesting in several ways, and I'm kind
of hoping that reason and restraint prevail and that the
slap fight and warnings can be avoided. One thing which
might help would be if my earlier advisory in this thread
against making remarks personal and taking personally
remarks not so intended were heeded a bit better.
I'm seeing a little too much eagerness from some parties
to throw things back in the face of another who holds
an opposite viewpoint, when it would be just as easy to
simply acknowledge it as a different opinion and leave it be.
I'm also disappointed at the sparring between
"I'm the old guard and I was watching Trek on a
coal-fired set that only had one channel
, now get off my lawn" and the "this is new Trek,
so get out of the way, oldies" contingents,
who both seem to be missing the whole point
of Star Trek and making the universe a smaller,
bitchier place.
But what do I know? I'm not always the best judge
of these things, myself. But I remain optimistic...
and I have the button to lock the thread if need be.
And all this has a point.
IT ALLUDES TO THE SPLIT IN FANDOM
I REFERRED TO ON POST 1..!!
Like I said - I truely beleive in what I'm saying
but it does not make me right. You either dig it or you don't.
I don't care so long as the debate is reasonable
. The Zebra's struggle with this concept.
^ Maybe in this Star Trek they can have Kirk be a Zebra guy instead of a horse guy.
Well I can tell you some of the members who will give it an F before seeing it, then see it 15 times and tell us how right they were.
Well I can tell you some of the members who will give it an F before seeing it, then see it 15 times and tell us how right they were.
^ It'll be just like the weekly episode review/polls in the ENT forum a few years ago -- all the D-minuses and Fs would go up before the episode even began airing. You didn't even have to look to see what the names were.
I think most of the people here are going to be a little more patient than that, even if they ultimately end up deciding they don't like it.
I think most of the people here are going to be a little more patient than that, even if they ultimately end up deciding they don't like it.
I can see both sides of this - it's not all one way.
Many of the haters have their minds made up already. Some of them are irrational and childish.
However...
Some of those who are very positive (to the point of being unable to handle an opposing viewpoint) about the movie, are practically as bad. They actively attack any criticism at all, whether it's reasonable or not, with an almost sacred fervour.
There are zealots on both sides, not just one.
Most of us are somewhere in between. I am looking forward to this movie in a huge way and with an open mind - just not so open that my brain falls out though, and if I see something I don't like I'll say so.
So far what I've seen is overwhelmingly positive, but that's because the setting and the characters are right up my alley. I can understand why that may not be the case with everyone. And hey, I felt much the same way about Enterprise's superb premise, and look how that panned out - so maybe I'm wrong about this one too, but the idea, and so far most of what little we've seen of the execution appeals to me.
Many of the haters have their minds made up already. Some of them are irrational and childish.
However...
Some of those who are very positive (to the point of being unable to handle an opposing viewpoint) about the movie, are practically as bad. They actively attack any criticism at all, whether it's reasonable or not, with an almost sacred fervour.
There are zealots on both sides, not just one.
Most of us are somewhere in between. I am looking forward to this movie in a huge way and with an open mind - just not so open that my brain falls out though, and if I see something I don't like I'll say so.
So far what I've seen is overwhelmingly positive, but that's because the setting and the characters are right up my alley. I can understand why that may not be the case with everyone. And hey, I felt much the same way about Enterprise's superb premise, and look how that panned out - so maybe I'm wrong about this one too, but the idea, and so far most of what little we've seen of the execution appeals to me.
It has been interesting in several ways, and I'm kind of hoping that reason and restraint prevail and that the slap fight and warnings can be avoided. One thing which might help would be if my earlier advisory in this thread against making remarks personal and taking personally remarks not so intended were heeded a bit better.
I'm seeing a little too much eagerness from some parties to throw things back in the face of another who holds an opposite viewpoint, when it would be just as easy to simply acknowledge it as a different opinion and leave it be. I'm also disappointed at the sparring between "I'm the old guard and I was watching Trek on a coal-fired set that only had one channel, now get off my lawn" and the "this is new Trek, so get out of the way, oldies" contingents, who both seem to be missing the whole point of Star Trek and making the universe a smaller, bitchier place.
But what do I know? I'm not always the best judge of these things, myself. But I remain optimistic... and I have the button to lock the thread if need be.
That's fair. It just seems to me that this thread is only serving to make nerves more raw then they already are.
And by the way, zealot's not an insult. Zealots are cool!
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