Star Trek Fundamentalism

[BigC]

I would rather see Star Trek slip quietly in to history with it's honor intact, than to see an legend raped and dishonoured by those who care not for any thing but money and their own warped sense of entitlement to a franchise that is a living legend.

The "warped sense of entitlement" belongs to long-timers who imagine that they ought to have some veto power over the efforts of the people who are actually working on Trek.

Never had it. Never will.

I am am "old timer" My love of Star Trek began as a Six year old child watching Kirk and Spock on a Black and White TV. It's hard to explain to someone who might not have the same history. I feel about Trek like it's family. It's been a constant all my life, a friend I could turn to. To see it bastardized is like a death of a loved brother.

This "New Trek" does not try to carry on, it seeks to replace. I don't expect you to understand. Nay I doubt you could.

 

[Aragorn]

So this new Star Trek movie is going to wipe every one of your previous Star Trek memories -- and all Star Trek merchandise -- from existence?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I am am "old timer" My love of Star Trek began as a Six year old child watching Kirk and Spock on a Black and White TV. It's hard to explain to someone who might not have the same history.

Shouldn't be difficult - I started watching "Star Trek" the night it premiered on NBC. I was twelve, so I'm probably older than you.

And I really find the bathetic essays which regularly show up here rhetorically equating the fact that the studio has the temerity to produce a film that might not satisfy an individual's long-held preferences with the loss of loved ones (or worse, sexual assault) just embarrassing to read. Boo-hoo.

That is the "offended sense of entitlement" that runs through too much online trek fandom.

 

[BigC]

So this new Star Trek movie is going to wipe every one of your previous Star Trek memories -- and all Star Trek merchandise -- from existence?

Let me try and explain One last time my feeling on this. Say you had a friend from childhood. One day this friend is in a horrible accident that leaves them disfigured and unable to relate to you.
Would you not resent even hate the accident that took your friend? Let me be clear. I will always love Star Trek in whatever it's incarnation. But the friend I knew all those years is gone. Now I have had my say. This whole discussion leaves me extremely melancholy.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

So this new Star Trek movie is going to wipe every one of your previous Star Trek memories -- and all Star Trek merchandise -- from existence?

Let try and explain One last time my feeling on this. Say you had a friend from childhood. One day this friend is in a horrible accident that leaves them disfigured and unable to relate to you.

There's something very, very wrong with that comparison and it has nothing to do with whether a movie is to your liking or not.

These descriptions are designed to evoke sympathy for the suffering of a nonexistant injury. Shame.

 

[number6]

I am am "old timer" My love of Star Trek began as a Six year old child watching Kirk and Spock on a Black and White TV. It's hard to explain to someone who might not have the same history.

Shouldn't be difficult - I started watching "Star Trek" the night it premiered on NBC. I was twelve, so I'm probably older than you.

And I really find the bathetic essays which regularly show up here rhetorically equating the fact that the studio has the temerity to produce a film that might not satisfy an individual's long-held preferences with the loss of loved ones (or worse, sexual assault) just embarrassing to read. Boo-hoo.

That is the "offended sense of entitlement" that runs through too much online trek fandom.

QFFT.

I am also a lifelong fan who began watching TOS on a B&W TV. The "offended sense of entitlement" is not something I share either. That seems to be reserved for those select few who will bitch and moan that their childhoods are being raped even if someone invents a device that allows GR to be resurrected and go back in time to produce a fourth season of TOS.

There is no pleasing that faction of the fan base. Therefore, I believe the best thing is to ignore them and move on with something the rest of the universe might enjoy.

I don't "automatically" love every piece of news that's come out. I am a lifelong fan that's psyched that someone is going to make a new film and that particular someone is one who's work I happen to respect. My expectations are just as high as the next Trek fan, but I am not going to get my panties in a tight wad because the walls of the corridors are too white, or that young Kirk says "man." There are far more important things to be freaking out about. This particular kind of Star Trek Fundamentalism (or should we say Fandamentalism) is a big steaming pile of dung whose stench gets more pungent with each passing day.

 

[BigC]

I am am "old timer" My love of Star Trek began as a Six year old child watching Kirk and Spock on a Black and White TV. It's hard to explain to someone who might not have the same history.

Shouldn't be difficult - I started watching "Star Trek" the night it premiered on NBC. I was twelve, so I'm probably older than you.

And I really find the bathetic essays which regularly show up here rhetorically equating the fact that the studio has the temerity to produce a film that might not satisfy an individuals long-held preferences with the loss of loved ones (or worse, sexual assault) just embarrassing to read. Boo-hoo.

That is the "offended sense of entitlement" that runs through too much online trek fandom.

I understand what you are saying. Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Some on this thread as or Klingon friends like to say...Have no honor.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I understand what you are saying.

No, if one thing is clear from this exchange it's that you really, really don't.

Okay, so your "I've been a fan since childhood" bluff got called - now what do you do?

 

[number6]

I understand what you are saying. Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Just because some people want this film to be good and are genuinely psyched to see it doesn't mean that any of what you're inferring is true.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I understand what you are saying. Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Some on this thread as or Klingon friends like to say...Have no honor.

Wow that is the most arrogent and condesending post I have read today.

 

[Rii]

Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Some people know when to take a step back, and some don't.

 

[BigC]

Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Some people know when to take a step back, and some don't.

Indeed.

 

[trekkerguy]

He has amazing points and finaly delivered a
message that many should have been.

No, he's just saying what you want to hear. There's a difference.

Nope, what I said. Thanks.

 

[pookha]

I would rather see Star Trek slip quietly in to history with it's honor intact, than to see an legend raped and dishonoured by those who care not for any thing but money and their own warped sense of entitlement to a franchise that is a living legend.

The "warped sense of entitlement" belongs to long-timers who imagine that they ought to have some veto power over the efforts of the people who are actually working on Trek.

Never had it. Never will.

I am am "old timer" My love of Star Trek began as a Six year old child watching Kirk and Spock on a Black and White TV. It's hard to explain to someone who might not have the same history. I feel about Trek like it's family. It's been a constant all my life, a friend I could turn to. To see it bastardized is like a death of a loved brother.

This "New Trek" does not try to carry on, it seeks to replace. I don't expect you to understand. Nay I doubt you could.

but in a way the same can be said of previous transitions of trek.
there were changes from the cage, to where no man to the series.

and in no pratical way does it replace.
it adds new chapters but the old wont go away.

heck if we are lucky it will get more people to seek out on their own the series .

I understand what you are saying. Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Some on this thread as or Klingon friends like to say...Have no honor.

Wow that is the most arrogent and condesending post I have read today.

actually as someone who recently had to have their mother placed in hospice just before they died i think it is a silly piece of twaddle comparision.



what ever this movie is or what is does trek will for now continue to live.
like sherlock holmes it is has become a part of the cultural mythos.

and as someone who also watched star trek as a child..
i am going to at least watch this movie before trying to decide its effect on the legacy.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

I understand what you are saying. Some people have a sense of duty to an old friend. Some don't. Some understand the importance of history and some don't. Some will sell their souls for One more film and special effects. And some won't. Some would tell the doctor to pull the plug on a dieing loved one to spare their suffering. And some, to selfhishly hang on to what has passed won't.

Some on this thread as or Klingon friends like to say...Have no honor.

Wow that is the most arrogent and condesending post I have read today.

actually as someone who recently had to have their mother placed in hospice just before they died i think it is a silly piece of twaddle comparision.

:P

what ever this movie is or what is does trek will for now continue to live.
like sherlock holmes it is has become a part of the cultural mythos.

I agree with you pookha and this is from a guy who's grandmother passed away a few days ago for BigC's information.

 

[trekkerguy]

It's the same garbage they spewed when the films came out, when TNG premiered etc etc.

I wouldn't worry, again, they have no effect on anything in the real world.
They'll either accept it an enjoy more Trek or not.

A much needed cleaning of house.

 

[pookha]

It's the same garbage they spewed when the films came out, when TNG premiered etc etc.

I wouldn't worry, again, they have no effect on anything in the real world.
They'll either accept it an enjoy more Trek or not.

A much needed cleaning of house.

bah that is going to far the other way.

what people will eventually do.. what many already do is just accept some parts of the whole they will like more then others.
that one thing isnt a threat to the mythos.
and people who may originally come in because they attracted to one aspect may broaden out to other stuff.

a lot of fans of sherlock holmes dont like the brett versions but many were smart enough to recognise that they were responsble for introducing holmes to a whole new group of people.
many of whom would later go and read the canon for themselves.

 

[Psion]

This thread is just an excuse to insult people and troll, while Plumster gets a hard-on from nerd raging at people. Seriously, why is it still open?

I'm amazed, too. It's an interesting study, though -- my favorite thread to read right now. There's been a lot of mutual animosity building up over the weeks, with neither 'side' particularly tolerant of the other. Maybe the mods are hoping this blows steam off. I think it'll go the other way, though with an outright slap fight and lots of warnings. But I'm a lousy judge of these things.

 

[trekkerguy]

It's the same garbage they spewed when the films came out, when TNG premiered etc etc.

I wouldn't worry, again, they have no effect on anything in the real world.
They'll either accept it an enjoy more Trek or not.

A much needed cleaning of house.

bah that is going to far the other way.

what people will eventually do.. what many already do is just accept some parts of the whole they will like more then others.
that one thing isnt a threat to the mythos.
and people who may originally come in because they attracted to one aspect may broaden out to other stuff.

Well I'm glad I'm a Star Trek fan and not a canon fan.

 

[pookha]

It's the same garbage they spewed when the films came out, when TNG premiered etc etc.

I wouldn't worry, again, they have no effect on anything in the real world.
They'll either accept it an enjoy more Trek or not.

A much needed cleaning of house.

bah that is going to far the other way.

what people will eventually do.. what many already do is just accept some parts of the whole they will like more then others.
that one thing isnt a threat to the mythos.
and people who may originally come in because they attracted to one aspect may broaden out to other stuff.

Well I'm glad I'm a Star Trek fan and not a canon fan.

well one can be a fan of the canon but still be accepting of new things.
for one thing canon within tos at times was pretty fluid.



as far as holmes goes the written works by themselves are called the canon.