Star Trek Fundamentalism

[dillon3001]

^^^ I have to disagree on your point about whether Trek was dead.

The series had been canceled due to horrid ratings, the last film failed
horribly at the box-office and there was absolutely no plans for the
future of Trek. Several different projects got canned cause they felt
it just wasn't Trek's time and it wouldn't bring any interest.

This is not a continuation of Trek, it's a revival.

What i meant to convey was that I didn't see Trek as dead franchise due to the new movie coming out. We've had Trek as a series on tv for 18 or so years straight, along with all the movies, there just has not been much of a break for Trek.

I suppose after ENT and ST: Nemesis you could have considered Trek to be dead, but i've just felt it was going to come back, one way or another.

Sign me up for the Trek revival!

 

[trekkerguy]

^^^ I have to disagree on your point about whether Trek was dead.

The series had been canceled due to horrid ratings, the last film failed
horribly at the box-office and there was absolutely no plans for the
future of Trek. Several different projects got canned cause they felt
it just wasn't Trek's time and it wouldn't bring any interest.

This is not a continuation of Trek, it's a revival.

What i meant to convey was that I didn't see Trek as dead franchise due to the new movie coming out. We've had Trek as a series on tv for 18 or so years straight, along with all the movies, there just has not been much of a break for Trek.

I suppose after ENT and ST: Nemesis you could have considered Trek to be dead, but i've just felt it was going to come back, one way or another.

Sign me up for the Trek revival!

Well, whatever it was, it doesn't matter now, as this is what it is now...

or something along those lines.

 

[Bad Bishop]

A split in fandom is upon us it seems to me.

1) There are those who, no matter what, will denounce this film as divisive, destructive and evil. They agitate, they snipe, they cry rape.

I despise them, they sicken me, they killed Trek.

But they'll be at the theaters on opening night.

 

[Aragorn]

^ And they'll see it more times than you so they can point out (reframe?) everything they were right about!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

And you're happy they're suffering right now? That's fucked up.

Not terribly. The "suffering" - which is actually a ruminative unhappiness with events and nothing more - is self-inflicted and self-sustained. That is, if not "fucked up," far from sensible behavior.

 

[Captain Pike]

I'm the type of purist for who Star Trek never really re-attained the heady-heights of it's seminal, uncomprimising, high-concept, genuine sci-fi pilot episode. TMP was a nice outing though - a true sci-fi concept movie, and a budget to boot.

On top of that, I've basically been yearning for a Pike-era series or movies for donkeys years. Something along the lines of the superb comic-series Early Voyages.

This movie may not be identical to that comic-series, I'm not expecting it to be - but even just a taste of that kind of spirit would be nice. It may not be Pike-era for the entire movie (though I am hoping Pike survives at the end of this one to come along in the next one) but it's infitely closer and more palatable to me than the spin-off series or the (lets be honest) mostly crap movies that came after TWOK.

I've been wanting a movie like this a long time. I would have settle for the long-touted Starfleet Academy movie with young Kirk & Spock even - I was one of the few who actually thought that was always a good idea. But to have Pike himself leading the charge in this one - sublime.

You can have your TNG, your DS9 your Voyager and Enterprise (a great concept, poorly executed IMO). You can have your TOS movies with our geriatric heroes running around in those god-awful looking maroon uniforms. Give me The Cage, give me WNMHGB and a few of the better TOS episodes, and goddammit give me this movie because I have been waiting 20 years.

That's just me. YMMV.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

You only have yourselves to blame - have the guts to identify yourselves and justify your ignorance.

I dare you.

Is it okay if I don't fear change, but still find you irritating?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

You only have yourselves to blame - have the guts to identify yourselves and justify your ignorance.

I dare you.

Is it okay if I don't fear change, but still find you irritating?

"Norman, correllate please!"

 

[BillJ]

You only have yourselves to blame - have the guts to identify yourselves and justify your ignorance.

I dare you.

Is it okay if I don't fear change, but still find you irritating?

I'm glad you said it. I would have worded it much differently.

 

[Nardpuncher]

You only have yourselves to blame - have the guts to identify yourselves and justify your ignorance.

I dare you.

Is it okay if I don't fear change, but still find you irritating?

I'm glad you said it. I would have worded it much differently.

We could say his posts are quite vitriolic at the end.
I like to think that our 'online' personas should be reflections of out real selves. I try to be polite and a little witty, whether that comes through, I don't know. I swear like a sailor in 'real' life, but I really never see the need to type swears. You just shouldn't get so angry that you type that out. That's my opinion.

 

[trekkerguy]

He has amazing points and finaly delivered a
message that many should have been.

 

[Plumster]

You only have yourselves to blame - have the guts to identify yourselves and justify your ignorance.

I dare you.

Is it okay if I don't fear change, but still find you irritating?

Say what you want, you are trying to shut this thread by making a personal attack on one person, you represent the spoiling element of this debate. I identified you earlier in my argument, your presence here is expected and of no surprise to me. I was far more ambitious in scale by attacking thousands.

What is irritating STC is listening to the same people telling us what Trek is and what it should be.

All I've heard is that I'm rabid and vitriolic, you Zealots need to work harder.

 

[Plumster]

^ I'm going to let it run a little longer and see if it can't get somewhere useful soonish.

First of all, there is a really mean-spirited tone in this thread.
[...]

Though it's being made in a somewhat roundabout fashion, I think that the OP had a point in mind at the start of the thread, and that it may not have been so mean-spirited in intent as might appear on a cursory reading.

However...

...

Spoiling tactics by the zealots - nothing more.

[...]

You and a few thousand zealots are nothing.

Do you understand chummy?

Nothing - you had your chance and you ruined it.

Only your arrogance will never allow you to see it.

I think generally addressing the fandom issue rather than the more personal focus seen in these lines would be the way to go. There's a potentially interesting topic here and I'm inclined to believe it could continue if things remain in perspective.

A good rule to remember: "Don't make it personal and, just as importantly, don't take it personally if it's not aimed at you."

Thanks for letting this run.

I set out my argument in a few posts, I've been honest about the points that bug me and I have tried to articulate what's on my mind.

What I'm after is a debate about this, nothing more.

It's my right to set out what I think so long as I don't break the rules, I don't think I've broken the rules have I?

Much of the vitriol in this has been dorected to me for daring to speak the unspoken........well it's been said and now it's out there.

Discuss...........

 

[trekkerguy]

I don't see what needs to be discussed.

You said it all, all of what needed to be said.
You speak the truth oh great one.
They could say nothing against your mighty word.

 

[Kirk1980]

All I'd like is interesting new ideas told well.

So far I've heard the same ideas we've had around for ages written by guys whose writing I don't like and produced by a guy whose shows don't hold my interest at all.

I hope it succeeds, really and I hope I like it.

 

[Nardpuncher]

I'm one of the biggest supporters of this movie, so no, I'm not one of the zealots.
The only thing I've done is say the that the bridge looked a little too white and that a com panel looked kind of like an iPod. Everyting else looks like we're going to have the dawn of a new age in Trek. It's exciting.

It's just that I hope the anger you seem to show isn't real.

 

[Trek Survivor]

Much of the vitriol in this has been dorected to me for daring to speak the unspoken........well it's been said and now it's out there.

Discuss...........

Don't keep up the self back-slapping and kudos too much over your "controversy". This is hardly "unspoken" - your basic point has been said many times. Not quite with the same... (dare I say it?) zeal as you, but it's not exactly a shockingly outrageous thing.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Much of the vitriol in this has been directed to me for daring to speak the unspoken........well it's been said and now it's out there.

Come on, I say this shit all the time - just not in the same spirit of generosity and kindness that you did.

Also, I sometimes employ interpretive dance.

 

[Plumster]

I'm one of the biggest supporters of this movie, so no, I'm not one of the zealots.
The only thing I've done is say the that the bridge looked a little too white and that a com panel looked kind of like an iPod. Everyting else looks like we're going to have the dawn of a new age in Trek. It's exciting.

It's just that I hope the anger you seem to show isn't real.

No - I'm a nice man with a wife, two children and a dog.

This also separates me from the Zealot's..........

And no - I don't give the dog a hard time.

 

[Plumster]

Much of the vitriol in this has been dorected to me for daring to speak the unspoken........well it's been said and now it's out there.

Discuss...........

Don't keep up the self back-slapping and kudos too much over your "controversy". This is hardly "unspoken" - your basic point has been said many times. Not quite with the same... (dare I say it?) zeal as you, but it's not exactly a shockingly outrageous thing.

I'm not - there is a big dose of self deprecation in there too and you know as well as me that this sort of thread always get's hijacked by the Trekmujahadeen.

And yes - such debates always comedown to name calling and finger pointing.

I'm calling some people Zealot's and I'm pointing the finger for Trek's demise in their direction. They come back with more name calling and we go around in circles.

Now we've set the terms of reference, can we crack on with identifying these Zealot's please in the form of some Trek McCarthyism and examine in uncomfortable detail what they did, why they did it and where they should go to cool off for a few years?