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Star Trek: First Contact 23 years ago today

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One of the few Star Trek movies that feels like it is almost flawless. Yes, it has flaws, but to my mind it remains immediately watchable to this day, is accessible to a casual movie-goer in a way maybe only The Voyage Home matches, and almost unanimously is considered the only time the Next Generation cast hit a home run on the big screen.

But what are your thoughts about it? Then and now? :)
 
I like this film. It's far from perfect, the premise is a big plot hole (why only one cube etc) and some of the sets, camerawork and FX are showing their age and TV origins (and did at the time) but it's still a highly entertaining film. It's slipped down my rankings over the years but I do enjoy watching it once a year or so.
 
I thought this movie was awesome when I went to go see it and I still do. "Star Trek: Generations? What's that?"

The soundtrack was up there with the best of them, so is the model work. Zephram Cochrane makes a great stand-in for Gene Roddenberry. I get more appreciation out of Troi's drunk scene than I did when I was 17, being in her position a lot of times before. And this was just overall a good movie.

Especially cathartic when the Picard/Lily scene in the Briefing Room when she yells at him to blow up the ship and you know the rest of what happens. Powerful, powerful stuff. And right before it too when Worf tells Picard, "If you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand" and Picard says, "Get off my bridge." It's really raw, and I really liked it.

The best part about this movie is that it doesn't feel like Just Another Adventure. This is a follow-up to "The Best of Both Worlds" while also showing Vulcan making First Contact with Earth and giving us the origin story of Star Trek lore as a whole.

Another favorite part of mine is the Borg Queen's seduction of Data. I'm also not one of those people who has problem with the Borg Queen. She speaks for the Borg just like she had Locutus speak for the Borg in "The Best of Both Worlds". So it's actually within their character. Especially if it's a Hive Mind. And every Hive has its Queen.

And I can't end this post without mentioning the Zero-G Combat Sequence. The music, the way it was shot, and Worf's line, "Assimilate this!" Speaking of Worf. Great to have the Klingon Theme back. And even though they never made a DS9 Movie, at least we get to see the Defiant here doing exactly what it was designed to do.

How I feel about First Contact compared to Generations is exactly how I feel about Discovery compared to Enterprise, if you want to compare my reaction to these movies to my reaction to the last two series to get a sense of what I think. Let me put it this way: I like Discovery and First Contact as much as I don't like Enterprise and Generations. And you know how much I love Discovery. So yeah. First Contact is the best TNG Movie ever. It's not even close.
 
This movie has long been my second favorite Prime Universe movie (after TMP). The post immediatlely before mine so eloquently nailed every reason why this was the perfect Star Trek movie, but I am compelled to point out something that probably every trekkie already knows, but several don't make the connection. After Lily tells Picard to "blow up the damn ship!" and Picard smashes the golden ship display with the phaser rifle, we can see that one of the golden ships was the Enterprise-D, severed in half at the neck. Picard's face immediately betrays his realization, and feeds into his next few lines, culminating in "The line must be drawn HERE!" What Lily doesn't realize is that this isn't the first Enterprise Picard has lost, but when the scene is over, and after Picard relents and decides to evacuate and self destruct the ship, Lily takes one last look at the smashed Enterprise-D model, and the camera slowly zooms in on it, further cementing the hidden meaning behind Picard's former motivations. Those of us who didn't see Generations first probably wouldn't get the full meaning, but those who examine the smashed model will note that the model is separated from the saucer, a huge reference to Generations. The subtle nods to Picard's past losses are so geniously handled, and I don't know if there are that many of us who actually notice.
 
Loved First Contact. From the battle at the beginning, to Picard's confrontation with the Queen, it was a great film. I like the way it teased the Borgs' appearance - we don't see drones, in all their menacing glory, for quite a while.
 
I have several unique memories of First Contact. First, we took a tour of Paramount Studios when it was filming. After seeing the set of the Defiant bridge, we ventured upon an extra in full Borg costume on a break from shooting the deflector dish scene. We chatted with him for a while, and a bit later ran into Jonathan Frakes on his way to watching dailies.

Fast forward to the release: we saw the film at the Chinese Theatre in Hollywood on the second or third day it was out. Upon exiting the theatre, we realized we were walking right behind Brent Spiner, who had decided to pop into the screening.
 
Has anyone here read earlier drafts of the script? How were the Borg defeated in the versions that didn't have a Borg Queen?
 
Ha, no way! I was just thinking about the movie the other day and watched it today without realising. I went to see this with my dad and my brother when it came out. We used to go see all the releases in the cinema. Good times.

Been a while since I watched one of the movies and I remember why I love this one so. The pacing is excellent. 15 minutes from the opening crawl and the Enterprise is in the past and we have our big setup, our new ship and Mr Woof back onboard after a boss intro.

It’s got so much of what you want in Star Trek. Character development, action, fun set pieces, well timed humour and guest stars who add spice to the regular team sauce. It was the Borg before Voyager made them toy villain of the week - I remember the setup in the cinema really well when Crusher remarks that they’re still only in the Delta quadrant, and all the trek nerds like me are in the cinema going “OMG I KNOW WHO ELSE IS IN THE DELTA QUADRANT.”

Super pumped for STP after this. Patrick Stewart got to display his full range in this movie and it’ll be great to have it back in universe.

Is it a bit TV movie by today’s standards? Yeah sure. But at least it has a plot I can follow, unlike a lot of jumpy-around-stuff-happening-cos-it’s-cool movies today. Of all the Trek foibles it thankfully largely managed to avoid the technobabble trap, except for the hand waving at the end. Really would it have been so hard to say “their sensors are 300 years old, we managed to avoid them” rather than have us trying to figure out how a gravity field masks a warp signature? But hey, who cares. Two hours of my life well spent and on its birthday too!
 
I never liked First Contact. I admit it's a polished looking film with a good score by Jerry Goldsmith, and it combines The Borg and time travel in a clever way. I like the idea that The Borg changed history and The Enterprise has to restore it. But I think it has no substance in way of narrative or suspense. The film has an excellent setup and conclusion, but aside from the Cochrane scenes on Earth, there is virtually nothing that happens in between. It's a weak cat and mouse zombie chase movie where Patrick Stewart tries to prove he is an action star and shoot a machine gun. The Borg scenes on The Enterprise were forgettable and having a sexy Borg Queen who looks like a Dominatrix really dumbed down The Borg for me. To me Picard's Ahab complex felt contrived and I thought the Alfre Woodard character was unnecessary.

I was bored when I saw the film in 1996 and I still think it's a disappointing movie today.

I wasn't surprised that the film was a big hit since it was a competently made action movie with The Borg, time travel, a sexy villain, Zelfram Cochrane, and those big dramatic moments like Picard's line "the line must be drawn here!" which fit so well in tv spots.
 
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When someone asks me which film is my favorite one I immediately answer "First Contact". Not only because it is a very good Star Trek film but a very good film.

My first encounter with "FC" dates back 1997 when it was released on VHS. I could not watch it in cinema because I was only 8 years old when it was released.
But when my dad lent it from our local library I secretely watched it with a friend of mine and back then without an adult person it was really scary to watch. Disturbing images aboard a hide and seek Enterprise-E and assimilated Starfleet personel were too much for two 8 years old kids. But that movie was really breathtaking. It is a shame that I've been watching this film far too often.

Well, I always thought the film has too many strenghts to blame it or Braga & Moore for the premise of sending only one cube to sector 001. I mean, yes. If I recollect it right Braga did not repeat that mistake when he and Menosky wrote "Dark Frontier". For a population of approximately 300.000 individuals they sent three cubes and the queen's diamond to that planet.
But other than that "First Contact" is the perfect Star Trek film, even to begin with Trek at all. It was the first piece of Star Trek I showed to my lady and she liked it.

They showed a new era in Trek's history and presented it in a fashion you could believe in. The post third ww era. You could relate to these people because they felt real, especially Lily who stands for an audience that is not familiar with the pedigree of Star Trek. So that was a very sweet approach to take newbies hands and get into the world of Trek.

I'm also fine with how imperfect the role of Cochrane is developed compared to the TOS version which is quite different.

I like the new design of the Borg but I also love the TNG-era Borg design. The way they are shown in this particular film is really good but the subsequent VOY episodes were visibly getting more and more funnier because they were no longer scary. Discolights and other theatrical looking aspects made them more like a live show performer or sth.

The design of the Enterprise-E is awesome. It is a more militaristic vessel which also reflect the uniforms (first developed for that film) worn by the crew. It still is more of a science vessel but you can feel that you don't wanna mess with this hot rod of a starship. If I remember correctly the producers thought that the direct predecessor was not good or sexy enough for the big screen but ILM already put the E on the Galaxy class vessel right after "Generations". I love both classes and the Sovereign class did fit for this film.
Concerning the interiors of the ship I thought it was more claustrophobic and somewhat darker than the shiny bright Galaxy class. Back in the 90s I preferred the Sovereign bridge over the Galaxy bridge but I think the latter one ages better because I think the Sovereign bridge is too jam packed. I guess I love the engineering of the Enterprise-E more than the Galaxy class Ent. I always thought the VOY sets looked boring and far too greyish. I like the warmer colors of the two big Es.

All of the Enterprise crew had great scenes and no one was left out. You could feel how the Senior crew grew as a family. Picard as the leader who is hunted by his past, Riker as the leading man on earth, Data as the semi temptated android, Troi as the comic relief and so on...

When it comes to the Borg Queen - well yeah... I'm kinda divided. It does make sense for a hive with drones and so forth but I preferred them when they were a faceless enemy. Yeah, I know that might have been a bit weak for a motion picture but I'm thinking in in-universe therms. If there was a queen she should only be a rumor or myth but never been seen.
Alice Krige did a tremendous job by bringing her to life and I understand that it is really tricky to pull off a great Borg story when there was no real face to the enemy. You already know it but I love the TNG-era Borg and their concept. But, well... it is what it is.

When it comes to the general behavior of the Borg drones,... yeah you could get confused. They know they are aboard a vessel they want to assimilate but they do it so passiv and passionless by initially ignoring the teams led by Picard but they've already been assimilating decks and crewmen. We know they only aggressively assimilate when they feel threatened but on the other hand they brutally enter sickbay without being directly threatened by the medical staff. But still they are menacing if you don't think too much about it. The most frightening scenes are those where partly assimilated crewmen are escorted by Borg drones. They can't do anything, they are seemingly already connected to the hive but you can feel that they are still partly individuals but caged in this without being able to break free. It is truely a horror scenario if you think about it.

The big event at the end of the story is the first contact between humanity and the Vulcans, of course. It felt real and you want to believe in this happening. The birth of Star Trek.

It still is my favorite Star Trek film and always will be. The flaws... I can ignore them. They are not as big as in other Trek films. It is a joy ride, a perfect film to start becoming a Trekkie, beautifully shot by Jonathan Frakes, magnificent music by Jerry and Joel Goldsmith, mindblowing effects by ILM (the very first shot starting from Picard's eye and showing the vast interior of the cube and the queen assembling) and a wonderful story.

I love it.
 
I sat through this, the very first Trektacular prequel of sorts, in the theater 1.4 times*. As Armus said, the movie - which has virtually zero substance or depth - is well-polished and the score is good, though the Klingon theme is reused for the umpteenth time and the Borg attack music cues are laughable. Like Frankenstein on crack, waddling onto the screen with the cheesy BAH-DUM-BAH-DUMB lead-in.

Which is a shame because the Borg, who were defeated by a gaggle of humans, have the amazingly bright idea to tinker with time and prevent losing... yet they wait through a battle where they're about to go all splodeyboomboom to then go back in time. Absolutely zero substance or depth. Of all the galaxy's worth of plot holes this movie upchucks so frequently, they could have avoided a ton of casualties with a very tiny change in tactics and go back in time before reaching the Sol star system, then reach Earth, and no fritter on the planet shooting arrows from bows at them would have made a jot of difference. It's like the 1970s Superfriends all over again, where many were cheering on the Legion of Doom because the plots everyone was stuck in were so cheesy and cartoonish. Now we're rooting for the Borg despite knowing they're stuck in a cartoon as well - so where's the suspense and tension and buildup? There's nothing there.

The viewscreen is a neat holographic projection now. Shame that didn't stay.

The 1701-E can beam over the Defiant survivors with their shields up... at least they found a way to stuff Worf into this movie, even if it's at the expense of DS9 yet at the same time a crossover would have been exceedingly cheesy.

Picard's ordered to stay away... but after a ha-ha-bonk moment they warp right over in seconds across their point so far away... and everyone in the fleet, the ones told Picard was too risky to be there, question his being there and obey him point blank. Okey doke...

The Borg have really improved their assimilation technologies, right down to the point they're no longer scary. Despite the attempts of them to take over the ship, starting out with some ductwork acting that feels like a throwback to 1968 Doctor Who.

The Borg queen also exists for nothing other than showy gloss. Complete with dialogue that would make 1971 Doctor Who cringe over how the Master keeps coming back despite being put into a dire, seemingly permanent fate... Yet Alice Krige sells it so well. But that's not enough to sustain this movie.

But they still don't adapt and put out only one cube and can withstand rotating phaser frequencies umpteen times - despite the cut'n'paste dialogue.

Even the Borg have the same cut'n'paste dialogue. Wasn't great then and it hasn't held up at all.

Worse, Picard = Khan in a gobsmackingly great role reversal of Moby Dick.

The Voyage Home is not my favorite of the bunch but it did a better job at keeping suspense and suspension of disbelief going as they struggled to bring back Preggie Whale and her awfully wedded beau as opposed to "Assimilate... this!", "You must be on some kind of... star trek", "I'm no hero, I wanted money just like the person I'm allegory for and that's Gene", Troi's drunken nonsense that managed to make her character seem even more pointless than ever before, and other lame in-joke fodder.

Picard shoots crewmembers and singing how they're better off dead**, some of which probably helped save his hide in TBOBW.

And how do they get back home, especially with no deflector dish on top of everything else? Naah, this is just a ha-ha-bonk escapade of a cartoon. So awful that even if INS were a proper classic, making light of violating Starfleet orders as a joke was in FC's very poor taste. Even worse than the sub-corny pee joke.

However, Alfre Woodward was easily the best guest castmember. She stole the show for me as Ruby. It doesn't help that she's only there to get Picard to realize there are so many more letters in the alphabet after destroying the shiny new ship (what, so soon? How surprising and dramatic!!), but she also points out how cool the pointless room with the forcefield preventing the ship from losing its atmosphere is (let's hope they don't lose power to keep that pointless section sealed up but maybe the door is hermetically sealed too.) Meaning she really doesn't have much purpose in the movie, but so many set pieces of the movie are so badly contrived that I rolled with the inanity and at least found an exceptional performance when she got to yell at Picard as well as being fearful that he'd kill her in a scene too.

* Note: Generations kept me in my seat three times, as had The Undiscovered Country. The direction and polish for FC won me over that first time, but a second time had me balking. It's even sadder to realize that I didn't walk out of beer and car product placement-loaded ST2009 until the last 15 minutes or so, after NuKirk has his tantrum with the adversary with the highly originally name of Nero.

** I hope that brings up the chorus to the punk song in The Voyage Home cuz that's how Picard clearly felt
 
I never liked First Contact. I admit it's a polished looking film with a good score by Jerry Goldsmith, and it combines The Borg and time travel in a clever way. I like the idea that The Borg changed history and The Enterprise has to restore it. But I think it has no substance in way of narrative or suspense. The film has an excellent setup and conclusion, but aside from the Cochrane scenes on Earth, there is virtually nothing that happens in between. It's a weak cat and mouse zombie chase movie where Patrick Stewart tries to prove he is an action star and shoot a machine gun. The Borg scenes on The Enterprise were forgettable and having a sexy Borg Queen who looks like a Dominatrix really dumbed down The Borg for me. To me Picard's Ahab complex felt contrived and I thought the Alfre Woodard character was unnecessary.

I was bored when I saw the film in 1996 and I still think it's a disappointing movie today.

I wasn't surprised that the film was a big hit since it was a competently made action movie with The Borg, time travel, a sexy villain, Zelfram Cochrane, and those big dramatic moments like Picard's line "the line must be drawn here!" which fit so well in tv spots.

I sat through this, the very first Trektacular prequel of sorts, in the theater 1.4 times*. As Armus said, the movie - which has virtually zero substance or depth - is well-polished and the score is good, though the Klingon theme is reused for the umpteenth time and the Borg attack music cues are laughable. Like Frankenstein on crack, waddling onto the screen with the cheesy BAH-DUM-BAH-DUMB lead-in.

Which is a shame because the Borg, who were defeated by a gaggle of humans, have the amazingly bright idea to tinker with time and prevent losing... yet they wait through a battle where they're about to go all splodeyboomboom to then go back in time. Absolutely zero substance or depth. Of all the galaxy's worth of plot holes this movie upchucks so frequently, they could have avoided a ton of casualties with a very tiny change in tactics and go back in time before reaching the Sol star system, then reach Earth, and no fritter on the planet shooting arrows from bows at them would have made a jot of difference. It's like the 1970s Superfriends all over again, where many were cheering on the Legion of Doom because the plots everyone was stuck in were so cheesy and cartoonish. Now we're rooting for the Borg despite knowing they're stuck in a cartoon as well - so where's the suspense and tension and buildup? There's nothing there.

The viewscreen is a neat holographic projection now. Shame that didn't stay.

The 1701-E can beam over the Defiant survivors with their shields up... at least they found a way to stuff Worf into this movie, even if it's at the expense of DS9 yet at the same time a crossover would have been exceedingly cheesy.

Picard's ordered to stay away... but after a ha-ha-bonk moment they warp right over in seconds across their point so far away... and everyone in the fleet, the ones told Picard was too risky to be there, question his being there and obey him point blank. Okey doke...

The Borg have really improved their assimilation technologies, right down to the point they're no longer scary. Despite the attempts of them to take over the ship, starting out with some ductwork acting that feels like a throwback to 1968 Doctor Who.

The Borg queen also exists for nothing other than showy gloss. Complete with dialogue that would make 1971 Doctor Who cringe over how the Master keeps coming back despite being put into a dire, seemingly permanent fate... Yet Alice Krige sells it so well. But that's not enough to sustain this movie.

But they still don't adapt and put out only one cube and can withstand rotating phaser frequencies umpteen times - despite the cut'n'paste dialogue.

Even the Borg have the same cut'n'paste dialogue. Wasn't great then and it hasn't held up at all.

Worse, Picard = Khan in a gobsmackingly great role reversal of Moby Dick.

The Voyage Home is not my favorite of the bunch but it did a better job at keeping suspense and suspension of disbelief going as they struggled to bring back Preggie Whale and her awfully wedded beau as opposed to "Assimilate... this!", "You must be on some kind of... star trek", "I'm no hero, I wanted money just like the person I'm allegory for and that's Gene", Troi's drunken nonsense that managed to make her character seem even more pointless than ever before, and other lame in-joke fodder.

Picard shoots crewmembers and singing how they're better off dead**, some of which probably helped save his hide in TBOBW.

And how do they get back home, especially with no deflector dish on top of everything else? Naah, this is just a ha-ha-bonk escapade of a cartoon. So awful that even if INS were a proper classic, making light of violating Starfleet orders as a joke was in FC's very poor taste. Even worse than the sub-corny pee joke.

However, Alfre Woodward was easily the best guest castmember. She stole the show for me as Ruby. It doesn't help that she's only there to get Picard to realize there are so many more letters in the alphabet after destroying the shiny new ship (what, so soon? How surprising and dramatic!!), but she also points out how cool the pointless room with the forcefield preventing the ship from losing its atmosphere is (let's hope they don't lose power to keep that pointless section sealed up but maybe the door is hermetically sealed too.) Meaning she really doesn't have much purpose in the movie, but so many set pieces of the movie are so badly contrived that I rolled with the inanity and at least found an exceptional performance when she got to yell at Picard as well as being fearful that he'd kill her in a scene too.

* Note: Generations kept me in my seat three times, as had The Undiscovered Country. The direction and polish for FC won me over that first time, but a second time had me balking. It's even sadder to realize that I didn't walk out of beer and car product placement-loaded ST2009 until the last 15 minutes or so, after NuKirk has his tantrum with the adversary with the highly originally name of Nero.

** I hope that brings up the chorus to the punk song in The Voyage Home cuz that's how Picard clearly felt

:techman: See, I totally get both sides of the argument. The story is lacking. It's all 'incident' with occasional character moments, but the story is strung together in a very perfunctory way that is designed to get every one from A to B throughout the movie in the most clinical way possible. The characters are being moved around to where the plot requires them to be at all times. The big battle set-piece scene at the start of the movie is dispatched quickly, and Worf added to the Enterprise crew without so much fuss, so they can warp back in time asap, and the ending likewise is so brief ("The vulcans didn't see us." "Okay everyone, let's go home.") as that it feels like an episode of Star Trek Voyager that doesn't so much conclude as it just stops so the credits can roll.

The bit in the middle, though, is as close to the perfect brainless Hollywood popcorn action movie as Star Trek can ever get without losing it's Star Trek-ness completely. It's an exquisite example of that, switch off your brain and don't look for the plot holes genre. Nothing goes spectacularly wrong. It doesn't over-reach. It's just perfectly formed, for what it is. And when I'm in the mood for watching that kind of thing? It's a perfect go-to.

But I agree that on the ratio of style vs substance, the movie's scales are definitely skewed more to the former extreme than to the latter, no question about it. :)
 
Not only is it very easily accessible for people who usually don't watch Star Trek, something which at least in my life is very good to have now and then - taken together with Stewart's impersonation of Captain Ahab in Franc Roddam's Moby Dick of 1998 - and I cannot believe that some higher power was involved in realizing both of these films so closely related - it's exactly what I love about Star Trek, something that still is true for PIC: progress in humankind is possible, but it's a lot of hard work and it just doesn't come easily. Fighting your own personal Ahab is a challenge and without Starbuck around instead of Lily you just might make the same terrible mistakes again and again and again.
 
... and I cannot believe that some higher power was involved in realizing both of these films so closely related...

From an actors point-of-view, from the perspective of 'finding the character', there would be little doubt that playing Ahab so close to this would have advantageous to Stewart in really selling both performances. :techman:
 
See, I think this is what I mean when I said earlier this movie is as close to regular summer popcorn faire as Star Trek gets without completely losing it's Star Trek-ness: it's accessible to the average audience goer in so much as it's 'about' very easily understandable action movie things, everyone and their dog can understand time travel, unstoppable alien zombies/vampires mercilessly taking over the ship, trying to keep history from changing, and anyone can enjoy care-free the brilliant sequences of the Borg battle, the tension of the spacewalk scene, etc. All the elements are there for a perfectly formed Hollywood blockbuster, and the movie was recieved warmly by a mass audience in a way maybe only a couple other Trek movies were. All the planets lined up on this one....

.... but aside from that, for the more (shall we say) 'dedicated' among us ( ;) ) it had a story that references classic literature, it had character drama that ties into who these people we've watched over 7 seasons on TV are -- Picard's trauma, Data's quest to be human etc -- it touches on a lot of key elements, the kinds of things that Star Trek does, and does well. The key here I guess is simply that it does so lightly. Just enough to make you think, but not so much as to lock out the casual audience goer.

There's something for everyone here. And a lot of the reason it juggles all of these things so well is a lack of studio interference, and Frakes having a deft touch to this kind of a thing. As stated, it's like the planets all lined up for this one. :techman:
 
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