Star Trek: Epimetheus

[Kemaiku]

This is it guys, the UBER ultimate new series premise.

An excelsior class Federation ship (circa 2292) is on a routine mission when it is struck by a Temporal singularity and thrown back in time by over 200,000 years to the time of the Iconians and other civilisations long since gone by the time of the Federation. The crew must try to survive in a now unknown universe and try to find a way back to the future, there attempts to remain obscure prove to be ineffective and they get caught up in the galactic affairs of that time period and even end up fighting in a war against an enemy so strange and yet so powerful that the fate of the future may lay in their hands.

Considering the vast difference in technology, any lengthy survival of the Federation ship, especially if the Iconians were really gunning for them, would be unlikely.

Which is what makes it interesting. We've never really seen the Feddies dealing with being totally outclassed in a fight over a long period of time (except for the Borg, which just goes to prove, the writers need to play fair and not give the Feddies a helping hand via arbitrary ass-saves).

Also: no fussing over "restoring the timeline." In the case of the Iconians, nobody really knows enough to say for sure how history is supposed to go, so that allows the boring, tired timelne-restoration angle to be thrown out the airlock from the start.

No it makes it completely unbelievable in the "we're a super advanced galactic empire and even our children's pea shooters could take you out in one shot" kind of way.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Hey, Fire--

AWESOME STORY IDEA!!!

One question, though: Why change the ship's name?

I kinda like "Epimetheus". Sounds misterious and dramatic. Like Galactica. Or Enterprise.

And I'm not so sure that anyone other than fans will get the "Archer" reference. ("Archer? As in bow-and-arrow? What kinda name is that?")

 

[All Seeing Eye]

No it makes it completely unbelievable in the "we're a super advanced galactic empire and even our children's pea shooters could take you out in one shot" kind of way.

What part of 'the Iconians are good guys and not going to attack the Fed ship' do you not understand? every other species in the Galaxy of that time don't need to be uber advanced like the Iconians (and have gateway technology), they need to be just slightly more advanced than the Federation in order to pose a constant threat.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Considering the vast difference in technology, any lengthy survival of the Federation ship, especially if the Iconians were really gunning for them, would be unlikely.

Which is what makes it interesting. We've never really seen the Feddies dealing with being totally outclassed in a fight over a long period of time (except for the Borg, which just goes to prove, the writers need to play fair and not give the Feddies a helping hand via arbitrary ass-saves).

Also: no fussing over "restoring the timeline." In the case of the Iconians, nobody really knows enough to say for sure how history is supposed to go, so that allows the boring, tired timelne-restoration angle to be thrown out the airlock from the start.

No it makes it completely unbelievable in the "we're a super advanced galactic empire and even our children's pea shooters could take you out in one shot" kind of way.

Presumably the Feds will have some element that will explain their continued survival against all the odds. Figuring out what that element will be is the job of the writers, even if it's just the fact that they are fighting for their lives, are more motivated, are independent, creative thinkers that gives them a slight edge strategy-wise, whatever.

And I'd expect the Iconians to do some heavy damage to the Feds, so it's not like they're getting off lightly, because the Iconians won't be wimps who can be sent packing just by being yelled at (I'm looking at you, JMS ).

What part of 'the Iconians are good guys and not going to attack the Fed ship' do you not understand?

If they're not the bad guys, what's the point of dragging them into this at all? Having them gunning for the Feddies is interesting because it poses a big writing challenge: how to make it plausible that the Feds could survive. But having them ally with the Feds makes things too easy on the Feds. A superpowered ally is a story-killer.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

If they're not the bad guys, what's the point of dragging them into this at all? Having them gunning for the Feddies is interesting because it poses a big writing challenge: how to make it plausible that the Feds could survive. But having them ally with the Feds makes things too easy on the Feds. A superpowered ally is a story-killer.

The Iconians arn't the only advanced race at that period of time and to be honest the Iconians are so advanced that they could wipe out the ship in the blink of an eye. Besides that, in my episode synopsis that I posted you see in one ep that an Iconian guy turns out to be a bad guy and kills the captain so it's not always a bunch of roses and to start off with the Iconians are reluctant to have anything to do with the Feds, it's only later in the series when the shades become more of a threat that the Iconians and Feds band together more often.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The premise is "Voyager" with the word "time" substituted for "space."

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Nope.

 

[Kemaiku]

The premise is "Voyager" with the word "time" substituted for "space."

Yup.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Nope.

It most certainly is.

 

[Jack Bauer]

The premise is "Voyager" with the word "time" substituted for "space."

Yup.

Double yup.

 

[Scout101]

The premise is "Voyager" with the word "time" substituted for "space."

agreed 100%. You've even got the sleeper agent ready to strike, like Seska.

Going forward would be more interesting than rehashing a format that wans't popular the first time. And we JUST did the "just trying to get home, and stay out of trouble" storyline...

You can say it's not Voyager, but it's just lost in time instead of space, and you substituted the names of the bad guys...

 

[All Seeing Eye]

How else am I supposed to come up with a series based around the Iconians in the past?

 

[Scout101]

trying to shoehorn a series around an idea that doesn't work isn't a very good starting point, especially considering a similar idea had already been done.

(lost in space/time, new, powerful enemies, etc)

It's just voyager with a different name.

Why does it have to be the Iconians, and in the past? What's forcing that decision, versus some other random powerful group in the present/future?

Could always have an episode, or mini-arc, where they DO get tossed back to deal with that, but there's no big thing that making it the whole series buys you...

 

[AlxxlA]

So. If Capt Hanako is dead, that means 1st Officer Lester is now Acting Capt correst? Who gets his place?
Also, I think it wouuld be cool if the Andorian officer is a desc of Shran.
Keep writing, man, keep writing!

Lester would be automatically promoted to Captain. The new first officer would be the old second officer, and so on. I guess they'd have to get someone new once they get down to the fourth officer.

 

[Morfius]

I've had a change of mind about the Excelisor class ship and the year it's from, i'm not into the older style ships and I reckon the series crew should have access to all up to date info we're familiar with and more plus I'd miss the trusty Quantum Torpedos so the series is now based on a Sovereign Class ship from the year 2375 sent back 200,000 years. But fear not, just because we have a sovereign class ship with up to date weapons we're familiar with doesn't mean it will be a match for ships of the Iconian era.

MAIN Character List only:

Captain
Name: Yamada Hanako
Species: Female Human.
Born: Tokyo; Japan. Earth.

First Officer
Name: Kyle Lyster
Species: Male Human.
Born: York; England. Earth.

Tactical Officer
Name: Amis Imala
Species: Male Zakdorn.
Born: Zakdorn.

Helmsman
Name: Peteshki
Species: Male Akalax
Born: Zana Province, Akalax Prime

Science Officer
Name: K'val
Species: Female Romulan spy masquerading as a Vulcan.
Born: Romulus.

Doctor
Name: Jaresh Hantro
Species: Male Arbazan
Born: Arbazan Prime.

Chief Engineer
Name: Lykala
Species: Female Andorian.
Born: Akesha, Andor.

I've never heard of alot of these races. (Arbazan, Akalax, Zakdorn)
Can you tell me more about them?

Also, the Bajorans had a civilization in this time frame. Perhaps you should have a Bajoran crewmember?

 

[Morfius]

I really like this idea!

Vulcans of this time had not yet discovered logic. They acted more like Klingons. Have they discovered tools yet?

 

[Temis the Vorta]

The crew finds a way to travel via the Iconian gateways. They return home and starships become obsolete.

Yes, it's a Stargate rehash but Star Trek thought of it first and Stargate sucks, so I want to see Star Trek steal the idea and do something with it.

trying to shoehorn a series around an idea that doesn't work isn't a very good starting point, especially considering a similar idea had already been done.

(lost in space/time, new, powerful enemies, etc)

It's just voyager with a different name.

VOY's premise was good. I wouldn't mind seeing it done over, right this time.

 

[Morfius]

Voyager was 'Lost in Space' done better, nuBSG is Voyager done better. Who cares? It's still a good idea if done right. (any idea is a bad one if done wrong)
I like the name: Epimethus better than Archer.

 

[hellsgate]

I hope to see you flesh this out in either ".html" or Microsoft Word / Apple Works.

 

[Aquehonga]

Great idea.

Reminds me of the fate I had for Janeway & Crew as a result of a DS9 Finale I wrote for myself in December 1998, but never put up in any fanfic forums or submitted anywhere else.

My fanfic DS9 Finale was largely a cover or remake of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES (1970).

As a result of the Milky Way's destruction, Voyager is, fortunately for them, flung back thousands of centuries in time & across the intragalactic gulfs to a shoreline on Ancient Talos IV, when the Talosians were on the tech level of 23rd Century Earth.

Now, V'Ger is in basically the same situation the Apes were in in ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (1971), only regarding a galactic scale.

In my story, Talos IV is where DS9, & the Milky Way, ends. Ancient forgotten Talosian interstellar WMDs are the cause.

More, much more explanation needed here, I know.