I thought that Fearful Symmetry was supposed to be the follow-up to Warpath, but now its release date has been pushed back to July 31, 2008, and there's another DS9 book coming out in June of '08. So which one is the follow-up?!?! 
Star Trek DS9: Post Warpath
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well that clears it up. thanx
The only thing I don't get is why they changed authors. Was the book that bad that they had to do a re-write. This book was supposed to be out by August of this year! WTF is going on with Pocket.
Unless Leanna Morrow speaks up about what happened after the rewritten version is published, I don't think we'll ever find out. *shrug*
Maybe they wanted to tie-in with the rest of the Mirror Universe books.
True...so the question goes back...did the book suck that bad??? Guess we'll never know. Although KRAD might know.
Of course of course, but it was worth a try. 
There are all sorts of reasons why an author might prove unable to complete a contracted manuscript. So there's no reason to assume it has anything to do with the competence of the author in question. Sometimes things just don't work out.
it could be something personal, like her mom died or she developed breast cancer or something.
not saying that that's what has happened, merely saying it may have nothing to do with the book itself and something from that wretched thing called 'real life'.
not saying that that's what has happened, merely saying it may have nothing to do with the book itself and something from that wretched thing called 'real life'.
So this is nice and Spoiler-ific, If you haven't read Warpath yet, just go read it already! I know I'm coming in late to the game...
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Okay so I've finally read Warpath and read through the original 9 page thread regarding Warpath and, for the most part, I think I've got everything we're supposed to know so far, regarding Kira, the Intendent, RU Illiana Ghemor, and MU Illiana Ghemor. But I really hope there's going to be a lot more elucidation about what's really going on when Fearful Symmetry comes out. Because as things stand they still seem (although cool) a bit crazy and convoluted. (kinda like the last 2 matrix movies, only better.)
...and don't even get me started on trying to suss out what all of Kira's orb-y coma visions mean, that a a-whole-nother can of gagh.
Let me see if I've got this straight:
RU Illiana Ghemor
Gifted and privileged Cardassian girl decides to join the Obsidian Order against her parent's wishes. She does join the Obsidian Order, becomes an agent around 2361 during the Bajoran Occupation. She's trained, altered to look Bajoran, stripped of her identity even, and is inserted on Bajor in order to infltrate the Bajoran Resistance movement. Now apparently she just happens to look exactly like Kira Nerys, OR Kira was specifically chosen by the Order to be replaced by Illiana (ala Raymond Boone) because of their coincidentally identical appearance. Or something else entirely. The switch either did or didn't happen.
One of the original intentions of the writers was to suppose that apparently it did happen, and that the Kira we know and love was born Illiana Ghemor. So if the current authors go that route then they are positing that the now crazy RU Illiana was in actuality born the real Kira Nerys (SEE: "The Case of Seymour Skinner & Armin Tamzarian" or "Xander Crews/Nearl Crews) I really hope they don't decide to go that route as it would make things even more convoluted, just too Shyamalan-eque wacky, and might cause the ol' brain to melt...
ANYway, assuming RU Illiana didn't replace Kira, she somehow became involved in the machinations of Skrain Dukat perhaps because she looked a bit like his beloved old comfort woman Kira Meru or because she looked EXACTLY like the mysterious comfort woman Luma Rahl who disappeared 15 years earlier in 2346. Or maybe because Dukat had a long time enmity against the Obsidian Order found out somehow about their connection to this familiar looking woman and wanted to exact revenge. Maybe all of the above! Maybe he saw her somewhere, incorrectly recognized her as Luma Rahl, and assumed correctly that she was an O.O. agent by connecting the wrong dots to make the right picture!
The mind spins and boggles! Maybe this is why Dukat's so obsessed with messing with Kira's head!
ANYway, RU Illiana's got crazy good training, she's undercover, maybe doesn't even know herself, apparently she somehow gets betrayed by Dukat and then she goes all Jason Bourne, but not for like 15 more years...
So RU rogue O.O. agent Illiana Ghemor is in hiding, plotting and scheming, (or hell, maybe on ice in some stasis chamber in Dukat's basement since he "knows where she is",) has an idea to subvert the will of the obedience-trained Jem Hadar to fulfill her ominous bidding, then decides to make a secret lab and dissect a couple JH's to see how they work.
Somehow she figures out how to turn Taranatar into an RC car, and through him gets access to info about the Mirror Universe and the Intendant and *ding* has a light bulb.
Instead of replacing the "Darling-of-DS9 Kira" she's going to replace the upwardly mobile Intendant of the MU Klingon-Cardassian Alliance. Not only THAT but she uses the RC Taranatar to kill "DS9Darling Kira" before rendezvousing to jaunt off to the the MU in order to kill the Intendent Kira, whom she was also manipulating from a whole different universe! Right? whew...
Why does she do all this? I don't know. Maybe her brain's all swiss-cheesed and despite her amazing training and Obsidian Order skills she thinks she really is Kira Nerys and There Can Be Only One. Why does she blow the hell out of Sidau in order to get Hovath and his pretty magic bracelet? ::shrugs:: Maybe she wants to take her new fleet dimension-hopping, via the bracelet & the MU wormhole, and get all Jet Li style on the multiverse. (SEE: "The One" and hey! Recurring villain for the Myriad Universes stories!) But how did she manipulate the Intendant into creating a new dimensional transporter to bring her and Taranatar over? And for that matter how did she even contact the intendant's Vulcan hand-maiden, L'haan, to conspire with her? Stories to tell! Oy vey! Now I see why she was scheming for 15 years in exiled darkness...
Which brings us to our lovely...
MU Illiana, a crazy badass Cardassian ronin, how does she become aware of any of these plans? How does she end up in the RU? Who has put a price on her head, the RU Illiana? Have they met, how do they know each other? How does she know so much about the schemes, nature, and past of her counterpart in the RU? Did crazy RU Illiana contact her in hope of some alliance, now turned sour? The mind reels, oh how it reels!
This is why I'm chomping at the bit for Fearful Symmetry! I really hope the true story of all of this stuff is revealed. Because not a lick of it was answered in "Saturn's Children". Needless to say I'm excited for the new book. Maybe Shards and Shadows will have some spiffy connections to the epic too, because lord knows there's a lot going on...
Did anyone else take any of this from what they read?
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Okay so I've finally read Warpath and read through the original 9 page thread regarding Warpath and, for the most part, I think I've got everything we're supposed to know so far, regarding Kira, the Intendent, RU Illiana Ghemor, and MU Illiana Ghemor. But I really hope there's going to be a lot more elucidation about what's really going on when Fearful Symmetry comes out. Because as things stand they still seem (although cool) a bit crazy and convoluted. (kinda like the last 2 matrix movies, only better.)
...and don't even get me started on trying to suss out what all of Kira's orb-y coma visions mean, that a a-whole-nother can of gagh.
Let me see if I've got this straight:
RU Illiana Ghemor
Gifted and privileged Cardassian girl decides to join the Obsidian Order against her parent's wishes. She does join the Obsidian Order, becomes an agent around 2361 during the Bajoran Occupation. She's trained, altered to look Bajoran, stripped of her identity even, and is inserted on Bajor in order to infltrate the Bajoran Resistance movement. Now apparently she just happens to look exactly like Kira Nerys, OR Kira was specifically chosen by the Order to be replaced by Illiana (ala Raymond Boone) because of their coincidentally identical appearance. Or something else entirely. The switch either did or didn't happen.
One of the original intentions of the writers was to suppose that apparently it did happen, and that the Kira we know and love was born Illiana Ghemor. So if the current authors go that route then they are positing that the now crazy RU Illiana was in actuality born the real Kira Nerys (SEE: "The Case of Seymour Skinner & Armin Tamzarian" or "Xander Crews/Nearl Crews) I really hope they don't decide to go that route as it would make things even more convoluted, just too Shyamalan-eque wacky, and might cause the ol' brain to melt...
ANYway, assuming RU Illiana didn't replace Kira, she somehow became involved in the machinations of Skrain Dukat perhaps because she looked a bit like his beloved old comfort woman Kira Meru or because she looked EXACTLY like the mysterious comfort woman Luma Rahl who disappeared 15 years earlier in 2346. Or maybe because Dukat had a long time enmity against the Obsidian Order found out somehow about their connection to this familiar looking woman and wanted to exact revenge. Maybe all of the above! Maybe he saw her somewhere, incorrectly recognized her as Luma Rahl, and assumed correctly that she was an O.O. agent by connecting the wrong dots to make the right picture!
The mind spins and boggles! Maybe this is why Dukat's so obsessed with messing with Kira's head!
ANYway, RU Illiana's got crazy good training, she's undercover, maybe doesn't even know herself, apparently she somehow gets betrayed by Dukat and then she goes all Jason Bourne, but not for like 15 more years...
So RU rogue O.O. agent Illiana Ghemor is in hiding, plotting and scheming, (or hell, maybe on ice in some stasis chamber in Dukat's basement since he "knows where she is",) has an idea to subvert the will of the obedience-trained Jem Hadar to fulfill her ominous bidding, then decides to make a secret lab and dissect a couple JH's to see how they work.
Somehow she figures out how to turn Taranatar into an RC car, and through him gets access to info about the Mirror Universe and the Intendant and *ding* has a light bulb.
Instead of replacing the "Darling-of-DS9 Kira" she's going to replace the upwardly mobile Intendant of the MU Klingon-Cardassian Alliance. Not only THAT but she uses the RC Taranatar to kill "DS9Darling Kira" before rendezvousing to jaunt off to the the MU in order to kill the Intendent Kira, whom she was also manipulating from a whole different universe! Right? whew...
Why does she do all this? I don't know. Maybe her brain's all swiss-cheesed and despite her amazing training and Obsidian Order skills she thinks she really is Kira Nerys and There Can Be Only One. Why does she blow the hell out of Sidau in order to get Hovath and his pretty magic bracelet? ::shrugs:: Maybe she wants to take her new fleet dimension-hopping, via the bracelet & the MU wormhole, and get all Jet Li style on the multiverse. (SEE: "The One" and hey! Recurring villain for the Myriad Universes stories!) But how did she manipulate the Intendant into creating a new dimensional transporter to bring her and Taranatar over? And for that matter how did she even contact the intendant's Vulcan hand-maiden, L'haan, to conspire with her? Stories to tell! Oy vey! Now I see why she was scheming for 15 years in exiled darkness...
Which brings us to our lovely...
MU Illiana, a crazy badass Cardassian ronin, how does she become aware of any of these plans? How does she end up in the RU? Who has put a price on her head, the RU Illiana? Have they met, how do they know each other? How does she know so much about the schemes, nature, and past of her counterpart in the RU? Did crazy RU Illiana contact her in hope of some alliance, now turned sour? The mind reels, oh how it reels!
This is why I'm chomping at the bit for Fearful Symmetry! I really hope the true story of all of this stuff is revealed. Because not a lick of it was answered in "Saturn's Children". Needless to say I'm excited for the new book. Maybe Shards and Shadows will have some spiffy connections to the epic too, because lord knows there's a lot going on...
Did anyone else take any of this from what they read?
^ FWIW, that about sums it up. Nicely done. 
That gave me a headache
I forgot how much the MU is like a kick to the junk when you try and sort everything out 
yeah, you didn't write it! Now I've got to try and sort out what's going on with Parek Ton and the visions from the Prophets. Still too abstract for me!
And thanks for the kind words David, as eager as I am for Fearful Symmetry I'm even moreso for Destiny! But hey, no pressure you've still got a whole year until we start banging down your door for that one. I've just started reading A Time to Kill and I can't wait 'til my book queue makes its way to Reap the Whirlwind, T'Prynn is one of my all time favorite characters, in addition her namesake of course.
And just to add to my geeky gush I want to let you know how grateful I am for "Sorrows of the Empire". I was visiting a friend at Wondercon in San Fransisco last year while I was still in the middle of reading Glass Empires, I turned a corner in the hall and found myself face to face with the Empress Marlena herself, Barbara Luna! She wasn't aware of the story and I had the book on me so of course I flipped it out, I told her all about her character's role, and she happily signed the story for me. So thanks to you I've got a signed copy by the Empress herself!
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