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Every Star Trek series after TOS would have to be Fanwank then.

Yeah. I get the idea that there are some Trek fans who literally just want Trek to be what TOS was and noting else. That is to say, have a ship with a crew and the thinnest of continuity, allowing the exploration of potentially cool sci-fi ideas. The problem is, most of the cool sci-fi ideas were either already explored by Trek, or would require a whole different sort of sci-fi setting to explore. You can see this with The Orville - which I like, but aside from the humor is basically just mining and recyling trek tropes.

Or hell, let's look at Trek movies. TMP had no fanwank (unless you count the Decker reference), but it was basically a ripoff in terms of the plot from the TOS episode The Changeling. TWOK basically was fanwank, as it was a direct sequel to Space Seed. Or look at TNG movies. First Contact was basically fankwank - it gave us more Borg, was a sequel to BoBW, and fleshed out the backstory of the Federation. Insurrection and Nemesis had little to no fanwank, were basically self-contained stories, and they were mediocre at best.

I guess I just wanted something new and engaging from Discovery. Not constant jabs to the ribs that this is Star Trek. It comes across as such an emotionally empty experience for me. I have the same reaction at the end of an episode as I do when I watch paint dry.

I should state I don't like being pandered to, so I can understand when people complain about insertions which reference canon but don't do much for the story. But aside from the blatant pandering of the final shot with the Enterprise, those little easter eggs didn't bother me with Discovery. Entirely different, unrelated things bothered me.
 
I should state I don't like being pandered to, so I can understand when people complain about insertions which reference canon but don't do much for the story. But aside from the blatant pandering of the final shot with the Enterprise, those little easter eggs didn't bother me with Discovery. Entirely different, unrelated things bothered me.

Yeah, the amount of fan service was quite low on my list of complaints. Show all the tribbles you want if you tell a good story.
 
Indeed, B5 was always a relentlessly compelling show, largely due to its brilliant writing. (Although I have a higher opinion of the acting, sets, and effects than you do... at least, as compared to the ones on DSC.)
IDK - I thought the original form of B5 was better (aka JRR Tolkien's "Lord of The Rings" trilogy).

I honestly didn't think much of "Crusade" (again, I liked the original version aka "Space Battleship Yamato" more as well.) or the other spinoffs of B5 either YMMV ;)
 
Indeed, B5 was always a relentlessly compelling show, largely due to its brilliant writing. (Although I have a higher opinion of the acting, sets, and effects than you do... at least, as compared to the ones on DSC.)
Why compare it to DSC? Seriously, why? This isn't a competition.
 
To be fair, I didn't initiate the comparison, just responded to it. My goal wasn't to denigrate DSC so much as to defend B5 from what I felt was unduly harsh criticism.
 
To be fair, I didn't initiate the comparison, just responded to it. My goal wasn't to denigrate DSC so much as to defend B5 from what I felt was unduly harsh criticism.
Well, at least we have the common ground to know why people defend DISCO as well. :techman:
 
I was bringing it up in defense of "fanwank." What's called fanwank by a lot of critical Trek fans is tying in Trek stories to the greater Trek universe. I fail to see why it's a bad thing, or why it's preferable to tell stories which are basically unconnected to anything which came before.
I thought some of Discovery writers were fans how can it be avoided having a certain amount of referencing? So maybe having a carefully placed Tribble is clumsy and qualifies as fan service but I think I'm more onside with fanwanking to crudely put it. If Discovery doesn't want to be Star Trek then it would be some other franchise experiment.
 
Maybe if they weren't so pleased with themselves all the time, bragging about their easter eggs and whatnot.
 
I honestly don't see that. I see a lot of sincere criticism, but by and large it's balanced and well-meaning. Outright hatred, not so much.
 
I honestly don't see that. I see a lot of sincere criticism, but by and large it's balanced and well-meaning. Outright hatred, not so much.
Here, not as much, save for the random use of Orville or Lost in Space to bash it with.

Elsewhere, yes, very much.

Beware of unloving critics, and uncritical lovers.
 
Just the other day, at another venue, some guy was fulminating about how DISCO was "trash" and that anybody who liked it were "idiots."

I find that very hard to believe with our enlightened and tolerant fanbase, Greg.







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Just the other day, at another venue, some guy was fulminating about how DISCO was "trash" and that anybody who liked it were "idiots."

Discovery is absolute garbage and people who like it have very low standards ;)

In terms between "fanwank" and "tying it to the rest of the story" what makes Disco's attempt at tying it in with Star Trek fanwank, is largely that it is extremely shallow and cynical. They know they don't really have a Star Trek story or really care about Star Trek all that much (and no I do not believe those who worked in Discovery were fans of Star Trek), it's there to go to fans "look this is Star Trek, tribbles thats what you care about seeeee?" when they completely miss the point in everything else related to Trek.

This is a trend in a lot of these reboots (It's hard to know what got it worse, Star Wars or Star Trek). Cynical cashgrabs that don't really care about the original setting beyond using it to get a pre-established audience/brand name and then pretending they totally get the originals because they shove in some shallow reference to something else because they skimmed a fanwiki for 10 minutes.

Alex Kurtzman entire career is one of "Missing the point and shallow fanwank" so it's not surprising that Discovery follows the same trend as the rest of his work.
Why in living gods name Kurtzman was ever brought into the Star Trek franchise is absolutely beyond me, the dude is literally Michael Bay level bad. (Considering he writes Michael Bays films)

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