Star Trek Discovery Leaving Netflix For Paramount+ Internationally, season 4 global launch in 2022

[PiotrB]

The success of ViacomCBS:

 

[Yistaan]

I'd be very surprised if the above image is allowed to stay as while it's not technically a piracy link, it does give the exact filenames that can be looked for on search engines to find links.

EDIT: I now see the file names have been blurred out, cool.

 

[mswood]

They always new there would be a spike in piracy over this, its not a surprise to the company. But if they can get a fraction of the people who like Discovery in the markets they are expanding to eventually sign up for the service, long term its worth it. Its really that simple. Discovery is just one part of Trek, and Trek is just one key part of scripted programming for Paramount +, and that doesn't even touch upon sports, library programming, films, ect.

Any rational business person whose making a long term business venture would think that's absolutely worth a risk in not holding not o all the viewers of one program. And it would be an easy decision.

 

[jackoverfull]

I'd be very surprised if even said copyright owners would be upset about new subscribers from foreign countries giving them money in the form of subscriptions via VPN, but the law is the law.

I think you need an American credit card to subscribe anyway, don’t you? If that is so the VPN basically gives you access to something you can legally pay anyway (but might not be able to access from abroad perhaps...unless P+ has a vacation mode like Spotify has, allowing temporary access from another country)

 

[fireproof78]

They always new there would be a spike in piracy over this, its not a surprise to the company. But if they can get a fraction of the people who like Discovery in the markets they are expanding to eventually sign up for the service, long term its worth it. Its really that simple. Discovery is just one part of Trek, and Trek is just one key part of scripted programming for Paramount +, and that doesn't even touch upon sports, library programming, films, ect.

Any rational business person whose making a long term business venture would think that's absolutely worth a risk in not holding not o all the viewers of one program. And it would be an easy decision.

It is, sadly, an extremely long term game Paramount is having to play, and for whatever reason the Netflix deal came up short in their calculations. And those calculations largely would be different based upon other contracts after Viacom joined Paramount and CBS back together.

It's terrible optics and customer service, but I understand the business side of it.

 

[NCC-73515]

For 10 years I worked as an accountant for a California farming company. It entered into an agreement with two other companies to develop the commodity that would be called "Cuties" (Clementines, hybrids of navels and mandarins). And while there, one of the parties initiated separation terms. These are far, far smaller companies (though the deal was in the tens of millions), and there were a host of various conditions. You had to give two full quarters notice to initiate separation. You could request a full buy out (which had to be approved by the other two parties), you could request separations of assets but keeping your share of the trademarks, and you could request the other parties buy you out. While obviously owners and controllers were aware of the situations, and probably discussed it with others, the staff wasn't allowed to speak to anyone outside of the engaged parties (we even had to sign new non disclosure forms during the process). And each of the two parties had up to the last two weeks, to give the sign off or deny the terms, which then took it down a different path for separation). The party that wanted out, requested to keep the rights to the trademark (so all three companies could still grow, produce and market the product under the name "Cuties"). That was rejected, they went through the various other subsections of the separation agreement, finally getting one that was agreed by all three parties, and it was signed and official about 2 weeks before the end of those two quarters.

This impacted lots of suppliers, and venders, staffing agencies, and company employees. And most got about 5 days of actual notice. And that's with a process that was designed to be covered in a period no longer than 6 month. That other company now uses the name "Halos' for their product.

I've always wondered why cuties and halos seem to be the exact same thing - finally learned the background story here on TBBS

 

[Timtamttime]

I think you need an American credit card to subscribe anyway, don’t you? If that is so the VPN basically gives you access to something you can legally pay anyway (but might not be able to access from abroad perhaps...unless P+ has a vacation mode like Spotify has, allowing temporary access from another country)

I wonder, having a Canadian card, if that would also work? Anyone know?

 

[Tomalak]

I doubt it's a good idea to discuss ways of circumventing the geo-blocks on Paramount+ on TrekBBS.

On an unrelated note, search engines exist.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

^ Yeah, we're going to permit the torrent image to stay up since the poster didn't post it for the purpose of encouraging piracy (quite the opposite) and the filenames are blurred out, but let's not spin-off from that into discussing ways to actually pirate the show. Thanks all.

 

[TedShatner10]

It's a huge own goal, a pathetic ploy that screams of desperation and bullying to artificially boost Paramount+ before it's even properly established yet in a competitive, saturated streaming market (where even Netflix got into debt and Disney+ deemed a risk on release).

Star Trek eventually being exclusive to something like Paramount+ was a possibility, but National Entetainments/ViacomCBS lacked all civility and patience here, and millions of alienated consumers worldwide got long memories....

 

[Tomalak]

Star Trek eventually being exclusive to something like Paramount+ was a possibility,

I think we all knew it was an inevitability for the past year or two. It's just their conduct this week that leaves a bad taste. It's been the most dreadful PR own-goal.

Now all anyone knows about Disco is that they can't actually see it.

 

[TedShatner10]

I think we all knew it was an inevitability for the past year or two. It's just their conduct this week that leaves a bad taste. It's been the most dreadful PR own-goal.

Abruptly pulling the carpet out from beneath the DSCO cast and crew to start with, let alone the many millions of Netflix subscribers worldwide obviously, without even another 12 months of grace, with no gradual build up (just suddenly snatched), personally stings and grossly offends me.

 

[fireproof78]

I usually think that business decisions are those of the parties involved but I would love to know what went down between Netflix and Viacom to have such an abrupt end.

 

[Pingfah]

It’s been said that season 2 of Picard and 3 of LD will be on Prime. Prime must have a different deal on those shows

It was said that DISCO S4 would be on Netflix, it was locked in with trailers etc until 2 days ago. So I don't think you can assume any deal is bulletproof. Paramount could have any sort of buy-back options in there, we just don't know.

 

[TedShatner10]

Didn't Netflix co-finance DSCO in its first season?

Yeah, it suddenly seemed like a good idea that I purchased the first season of Picard on bluray now because of Nat. Amusements/ViacomCBS going insane.

Abruptly swiping away an advertised as guaranteed product on a global scale is the most uncivil, arrogant, greedy, and stooopid decision they could make in this situation.

It doesn't even make much commercial sense, they've fucking burned hundreds of thousands to millions of would be Paramount+ subscribers that they could've more gradually enticed over with a more gradual, organic transfer of Trek content (but no bitch, we're having it right now instead!).

 

[Unimatrix Q]

By the way, even if that was in the contract clauses between Netflix and ViacomCBS, is such a thing actually legal? Because the Netflix customer had no way to learn that that something like this might happen and the fans paid Netflix in good faith that they would be able to watch the show.

 

[.:: TSN ::.]

By the way, even if that was in the contract clauses between Netflix and ViacomCBS, is such a thing actually legal? Because the Netflix customer had no way to learn that that something like this might happen and the fans paid Netflix in good faith that they would be able to watch the show.

I'm not sure what you exactly mean, but Netflix users pay for the right to use the service, not to watch specific movies or series. So it's unlikely that any complaints could be made if a single show is pulled. Even if you just signed in to watch Discovery before it was pulled there is always the free trial that you can cancel for free.

 

[TedShatner10]

But the thing is Amazon Prime keeps unexclusive stuff somewhat more tastefully behind a paywall or adds, plus Netflix gives a month's notice for content they lost rights to, before getting pulled - they were officially scheduling DSCO and running trailers (up until ViacomCBS sucker cunt punched everybody).

 

[XCV330]

Whatever happened and whoever is to blame, it was the customers who were treated disrespectfully by all parties involved

 

[Unimatrix Q]

But the thing is Amazon Prime keeps unexclusive stuff somewhat more tastefully behind a paywall or adds, plus Netflix gives a month's notice for content they lost rights to, before getting pulled - they were officially scheduling DSCO and running trailers (up until ViacomCBS sucker cunt punched everybody).

Yep, exactly. Not informing the public until a few hours before the removal could possibly make a legal difference, i would think.