Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Char Kais, Nov 16, 2021.
Doubtful. Terms of service no doubt have clauses about content being subject to change.
Damn. Guess only a Sheliak could help in this case
If you believe Paramount, the deal they did with Netflix paid for the entire production of the first season.
You have to think though, Paramount did not make the decision this week to launch their own UK streaming service next March, nor could they do such a thing anyway without their flagship franchise (which will be streaming 5 shows concurrently next year, surely making it the biggest streaming franchise in the world). So despite only telling us about it 2 days ago, the decision to pull DISCO must have been locked in at Paramount for months at a minimum.
Yeah, the sheer fucking cheek of their horrific timing, very tone deaf and illogical (if a superstore had its important items pulled for illogical reasons and shunted them to another smaller shopping chain at the other side of the country, it'd trigger a riot).
I think the morons may have bombed Paramount+ before its launch in other countries.
Should we really trust their word over even Netflix? And their decision is still hard to rationalize, even from a cold, corporate stand point.
I trust Netflix even less.
Whatever happened happened suddenly and left them scrambling to inform customers. Poor handling, to be sure, but I doubt we have the whole story.
They dropped the ball as well and pushed their luck (presumably after Squid Game revitalised their company), but it sounded like the more suicidal ViacomCBS who decided to pull the trigger.
well, tasteless imagery aside, I still think both sides are equally to blame in this poor handling. Someone didn't talk to someone else and now we have a poor result.
Who would've thought such a bizarre name and premise like Squid Game was going to be the rallying comeback for Netflix? And there they were investing in all that Witcher stuff trying to match and fight their streaming rivals fantasy franchise by fantasy franchise.
Something that was pointed out a few months ago (or even weeks?) was that there was a serious lack of any hype on the Netflix side for S4.
Star what? Never heard of it. Look over there, a witcher!
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to come over as that strongly and intentionally offend people here, but oh noes we should protect the precious feelings of the ViacomCBS and Netflix corporate sharks, squabbling with decades outdated licensing rights.
I can understand their PR/publicity departments being far removed from their legal eagles, but due to bad luck, Netflix feeling they're in a better position to demand a bigger cut, big organisations not efficient at communicating (in addition to the Redstone family and their board of executives departing the planet Earth), they really dropped a big clanger here.
I don't care so much about their feelings. I do get irrationally annoyed at the use of suicide language and imagery.
They did drop the ball.
There were warning signs of their stupidity when ViacomCBS blocked trailers overseas on YouTube, this came across as being percularly parochial and paranoid, wrongly thinking the real money is just within North America, and everbody else worldwide just penniless peasants.
i think they were planning to pull the full series after season 4, but not like this, mere hours before the launch. This is to stupid to be intentionally planned and makes both CBS and Netflix look bad.
About the legality, they can pretty much do whatever they want but I wouldn’t be surprised if some Netflix customer could won a court case in certain jurisdictions. Even so, I hardly think they’d get much more than a small refund, so it wouldn’t be worth it.
Last I heard, "Picard" and "Lower Decks" will eventually be moving to Paramount+ internationally. Since DSC was pulled with 72 hours notice, LDS is certainly not "safe". And Season Two hasn't even come out on Blu-Ray Down Under yet. (Due December 8, 2021.)
Paramount: We don't want your money, you penniless peasants!!
International audience: Ok. (starts looking into the many other franchises on rival streaming services)
No, but regional blocking is essential to guarantee the wording in an existing contract. Usually, a few hours after a US/Canadian release of a trailer, Star Trek International had authorised access to the same material (sometimes tweaked in the closing credits) via a different medium.
Nah. If I want Star Trek, I am rarely satisfied with a rival SF series. I have had friends try to get me hooked on "Doctor Who", "Space: 1999", "Blake's Seven", "Babylon 5", "The X-Files", "The Orville"... and none have filled my Star Trek yearning.
This feels like a real kick in the teeth to fans outside North America and that’s because it is, but I don’t for a minute think it was completely intentional. People are talking like we know exactly what has happened behind closed doors when I don’t think we do. What we do know is CBS and Netflix struck a three year deal for Disco, which saw Netflix picking up the tab for season one. That deal must have had an end point following the release of season 3, the only question is when.
The most likely scenario is, that the deal carried on during negotiations with both sides trying to get the best deal for them.
I don’t know if this is right but if I was CBS I’d want Disco to stay on Netflix until P+ rolled out country by country and Netflix would want a multi-year deal similar to (but cheaper than) the original. I don't think either side could agree to what the other wanted. I doubt CBS would have entered into a new contract so close to P+’s European launch if it meant having to buy out of it, after all they would have been negotiating with sky for a while and would have known it was coming. I think this theory is supported by the fact that the news broke so close to the expected release date, both sides expected it to happen hence the publicity and trailers.
As for Prodigy and Picard, they started later so those contracts will end later. Unless there is any truth to CBS buying out of the Netflix contract, they will stay on Prime until the contract expires. As we don’t know how long the contracts are for we have no idea how long they’ll be on Prime.
We don't. I appreciate the anger from international fans but acting like CBS is running around screaming "F*** you!" at a map of the rest of the world is quite far fetched. I imagine that contract negotiations were ongoing and then they hit a standstill and then collapsed. But, I don't know. And we won't ever know.
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