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Star Trek Discovery...best first season of the franchise?

Colonialism was about imposing religion, language, government and society on a people who didn't want it

I mean, yes and no? Colonialism was about extracting wealth, and everything else flowed from that -- up to and including imposing religion, language, government, etc., on colonized peoples. The colonial powers were willing to use force to achieve those goals, but the use of force was not the a priori motivation. They would have been perfectly happy if they had just sent in their ships and the locals had just done what the colonial powers wanted willingly, and indeed fantasies of colonialism from those powers often imagine colonized peoples who willingly accept their colonial status. Those fantasies, of course, are not true -- they are examples of pro-colonialist propaganda, by virtue of the fact that they imagine a consent that does not exist.

And that's why I say Star Trek is a fantasy of benevolent colonialism. Star Trek depicts a version of colonialism that is, in-universe, happening by mutual consent, in the same way that colonial powers often wanted to imagine their colonized peoples consented to their domination by colonizers.

using force and not the same as a treaty willingly agreed to which is what the UFP do and comparing them to the horrors of colonial empires is an insult to the victims of colonialism.

No. If anything it is a criticism of Star Trek, as one could argue that if Star Trek embraces fantasies of benevolent colonialism that necessarily means Star Trek is dishonest in its portrayal of colonialism and is therefore a piece of pro-colonial propaganda.

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To be clear: Recognizing when modern literature or art uses tropes that have their origins in deeply oppressive systems in real history, even when those tropes whitewashed the horrors of those oppressive real-world systems out of the work of art, is not an insult to the victims of those horrors. It is, rather, an important way of recognizing when those tropes lest they come back and end up used to justify new incarnations of those old systems.

It is perfectly fair, for instance, to note that characters like Mickey Mouse and Goofy have their archetypal origins in American minstrel shows -- shows that were themselves forms of comedic white supremacist, pro-slavery propaganda. To note this is not to insult the victims of slavery; it is to note that tropes can form out of a genre of fiction that had been used to justify an oppressive system and then be used in new ways that avoid acknowledging the context of their original creation.

So it is with Star Trek. It was literally described by Roddenberry as Wagon Train to the Stars. That does not mean Star Trek is pro-genocide of Indians, any more than Goofy cartoons are pro-slavery. But just as Goofy draws upon minstrel show archetypes, Star Trek draws upon the colonialist process that was the settling by white people of the American West (and upon works like Horatio Hornblower in its depiction of Starfleet as a space navy that establishes and protects colonies from irrational alien aggression [and funny how aliens like the Klingons were designed to look like Anglo-American stereotypes of Asian people], same way Horatio Hornblower depicts the Royal Navy).

Again, recognizing a trope's origin and the ways in which the trope has been whitewashed of the real-world context is not the same thing as belittling the horrors of those real-world contexts.
 
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Indeed. I couldn't care less how you rank the rest, but #1 is TOS.

Hear, hear.

S1 TOS episodes: City on the Edge of Forever, Space Seed, Balance of Terror, The Devil in the Dark, Arena, This Side of Paradise, Where No Man Has Gone Before, The Corbomite Manuever, The Menangerie Pts I & II, and The Enemy Within. That's 11 episodes I'd call classics.

Plus solid episodes like Shore Leave, The Gallileo Seven, Mudd's Women, A Taste of Armaggedon, Dagger of the Mind, The Conscience of the King, Naked Time, and others.

A few duds, for sure. But a DISCO/PIC season's worth of excellent to classic episodes.

I stick by TOS by a country mile. YMMV for #2.
 
Hear, hear.

S1 TOS episodes: City on the Edge of Forever, Space Seed, Balance of Terror, The Devil in the Dark, Arena, This Side of Paradise, Where No Man Has Gone Before, The Corbomite Manuever, The Menangerie Pts I & II, and The Enemy Within. That's 11 episodes I'd call classics.

Plus solid episodes like Shore Leave, The Gallileo Seven, Mudd's Women, A Taste of Armaggedon, Dagger of the Mind, The Conscience of the King, Naked Time, and others.

A few duds, for sure. But a DISCO/PIC season's worth of excellent to classic episodes.

I stick by TOS by a country mile. YMMV for #2.
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You see someone post a link to a previous post of their opinion? Should we all spam the same posts of ours because once isn't enough?
Yes, I've seen it. Not a big deal, to my mind.

And, I personally wouldn't, but if I've written a response that fits no sense in writing it twice. I'm usually more eloquent the first time any way.
 
If someone says "I like this thing!" I think it's a little weird to point that person to another person's opinion as a way of telling them why they're wrong.
 
I think its weird to keep talking about a show that a person doesn't like. People do weird stuff. This doesn't even register.
 
Having rewatched the first season now, I think I can comfortably rank where I stand with everything.

TOS S1: 9/10
TNG S1: 3/10
DS9 S1: 6.5/10
VOY S1: 7/10
ENT S1: 6/10
DIS S1: 7.5/10
PIC S1: 7/10

Yeah. Something like that. TOS > DIS > VOY = PIC > DS9 > ENT > TNG. None of the Star Trek spinoffs have ever had sterling first seasons. It's telling that IMO Discovery's 7.5 is a big cause for celebration. :p

For the record, I think Discovery's second season is around 8.5. Great TV overall.
 
For me, as it stands right now:

1) Star Trek: Discovery
2) Star Trek: The Original Series

And that's the list (and that's because those are the only two series that I've ever watched the entire first seasons of... *insert smiley face*).

I do have a feeling that once Strange New Worlds comes out it'll either be one or two on my list, and most likely number one because I seriously doubt it'll have shortcomings on the same level as Discovery season 1. On the same token, I predict Discovery season 3 is going to be the greatest Star Trek season ever-ever (*insert another smiley face*).
 
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