Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"

[cooleddie74]

Wait until SNW premieres. Anson Mount will be a heretic and an insult to the original Pike. Also, Ethan Peck will probably smell like something bad and his pointed ears will be too sharp or not sharp enough for his tastes.

 

[Mr Awe]

Interesting article about the episode. According to an interview with the writers, the Guardian calling itself "Carl" was an homage to Carl Sagan.

Also, their original idea was not to do the MU at all.

"The writers also reveal they almost went a totally different direction with the episode. The original plan didn't involve the Mirror Universe at all.

"Burnham and Georgiou were going to beam down to the planet expecting to find the Guardian, and instead come across a lone house with a garden — not unlike the house in TNG’s “The Survivors." Its sole occupant, a mysterious Gardener, would turn out to be the Guardian," the writers explain. "Georgiou was going to live out her final hours there choosing to have a perfect day with (Prime) Burnham -- it involved baking an apple pie!"

https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-discovery-guardian-forever-carl-sagan

WOW. That idea sounds terrible IMO. Georgiou baking a pie with Michael?! WTF? I am glad they did the MU instead.

And, how does that lead into the S31 show? Maybe that was before they greenlighted the show? But, the idea sounds plain dumb.

 

[Tuskin38]

And, how does that lead into the S31 show? Maybe that was before they greenlighted the show? But, the idea sounds plain dumb.

The article says he still the Guardian, so he probably still sent her back in time.

Also, the S31 show was announced before Season 3 was even written.

 

[Shawnster]

So, where was the Mirror Georgiou? Yes, I know that was the Mirror Georgiou, but she went back in time as well as to the Mirror Universe. Georgiou went back in time to a point before Lorca even crossed over into the Primer Universe, correct? Georgiou went back in time to a point prior to the the moment Georgiou traveled to the Prime Universe, correct? So, there should have been 2 Georgioius running around the Mirror Universe at that point in time. The one who was actually from that point in time and the one who traveled through the Guardian of Forever from the Prime Universe back in time to the Mirror Universe.

 

[Lord Garth]

So, where was the Mirror Georgiou? Yes, I know that was the Mirror Georgiou, but she went back in time as well as to the Mirror Universe. Georgiou went back in time to a point before Lorca even crossed over into the Primer Universe, correct? Georgiou went back in time to a point prior to the the moment Georgiou traveled to the Prime Universe, correct? So, there should have been 2 Georgioius running around the Mirror Universe at that point in time. The one who was actually from that point in time and the one who traveled through the Guardian of Forever from the Prime Universe back in time to the Mirror Universe.

I'm leaning towards what others have said: "Terra Firma" was like "Tapestry". Like Picard, Georgiou was given a chance to show how she'd do things differently if she had to do it all over again. So I'm inclined to think the Mirror Universe Past she was sent to wasn't real.

If anything, I think "Terra Firma" was like a cross between It's a Wonderful Life and A Christmas Carol. I almost wish it aired on Christmas Eve, but I wouldn't want to deal with some of the more unpleasant people in a thread like this on that day.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Part two felt like a christmas episode with the snow. They actually were filming and the snow started falling but they kept on rolling and it just fit perfectly into the episode.

 

[NCC-73515]

WOW. That idea sounds terrible IMO. Georgiou baking a pie with Michael?! WTF? I am glad they did the MU instead.

It's a great Trek tradition. The epic meeting of Kirk and Picard was about cooking eggs. XD

 

[cooleddie74]

As well as the epic meeting between Chef and Tri...






I have shamed the forum.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

As well as the epic meeting between Chef and Tri...




I have shamed the forum.

Hehe

 

[Nerys Myk]

As well as the epic meeting between Chef and Tri...






I have shamed the forum.

 

[cooleddie74]

Computer...end program.








DAMMIT.

 

[donners22]

Related to this, I happened to look at his page on Memory Alpha the other day... I’m almost positive he wrote the thing himself. It reads so self-aggrandizing and spends an inordinate amount of time on how much he hates the Kelvin movies and Disco, none of which seems relevant to a basic encyclopedia entry on a Trek production crew member.

Oh, that page is hilarious.

Scientific plausibility having been a prerogative for Roddenberry/Berman-era Star Trek

Ah yes, the renowned scientific plausibility of episodes like Rascals, Genesis, Threshold and co, not to mention the array of godlike beings.

On his stance on the dodgy science employed in Discovery, Meyer echoed comments made by astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson in a November 2017 blog entry on his StarTalk podcast website. [4]

Follow said link, and it's a blog entry by an intern, not deGrasse Tyson.

 

[Mr Awe]

The article says he still the Guardian, so he probably still sent her back in time..

Sounded like it just ended with her baking a cake or whatever.

 

[Tomalak]

Did he rant about ENT or was the Berman Era exempt from his rage?

Certainly didn't like it at the time, but then he got the gig making the Blu-ray extras. He's also miraculously reappraised Voyager.

You can guarantee he was one of those early-TNG haters who discussed how lame Picard was on newsgroups.

 

[dupersuper]

I liked that season 1 dynamic. I thought it was cool to see the trust-building and relationship-forming process rather than just being dumped as a viewer into a smoothly functioning team.

Among the background bridge crew? I knew none of their names until Pike did a literal role call.

 

[SolarisOne]

a literal role call

Punny.

 

[TheMadCloner]

I'm leaning towards what others have said: "Terra Firma" was like "Tapestry". Like Picard, Georgiou was given a chance to show how she'd do things differently if she had to do it all over again. So I'm inclined to think the Mirror Universe Past she was sent to wasn't real.

If anything, I think "Terra Firma" was like a cross between It's a Wonderful Life and A Christmas Carol. I almost wish it aired on Christmas Eve, but I wouldn't want to deal with some of the more unpleasant people in a thread like this on that day.

I don't know if I agree.

Carl says something about her saving mirror Saru and how he'll go on to save lots of other people. It sounds like an actual alternate mirror timeline was created. It may be that the Klingon/Romulan Alliance never gets off the ground in this version of the mirror universe, given Georgiou actually sabotages it with Burnham's early intel.

Georgiou "dying early" in this alternate timeline also means alternate mirror Lorca might still be alive somewhere in this alternate mirror timeline.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I'd have taken this as sarcastic if not for the "honestly". The character conflict was one of the big "not real Trek" knocks on the show from the outset.

Fair enough. I remember Saru not being happy with Burnham and rightly so but I wasn't really that engaged with DIS season 1 social media so I never knew it was seen as a thing.

Certainly wasn't the issue I had with S1

 

[Therin of Andor]

Georgiou has been my favorite character besides Saru since the beginning and it was just a really fun episode overall. Not sure about where this show is heading though. Without her we're down to what - five main characters?

Georgiou (Michelle Yeoh) was billed as a guest star.

 

[AresB]

Dunno if anyone has mentioned this yet, but Georgiou's temporal sickness harks back to TOS: All Our Yesterdays. In it, a people had escaped an ice age by building a time machine and moving 3000 years in the past. Their cell structure and brain patterns needed to be altered to survive the time displacement. The Enterprise crew, who did the jump without the preparation, were going to die in a matter of hours.
The Discovery's jump was shorter so the rest of the crew can (apparently) adapt, but the Emperor had the added burden of being from another universe.