One could argue the Bringloidi were running amok and breaking the laws but, yeah, that episode definitely doesn't jibe with everything else we later learn about genetic engineering and cloning in the Federation.
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I'm assuming Nilsson, for no other reason than she's been getting more and more face time lately.
They've also established that Stamets is not a "Starfleet guy." He's there for his art. Doesn't seem to fit his character at all.
I meant Darwin Station from Unnatural Selection
Even worse. That was an official Federation research station sanctioned by the authorities. 
I guess we can head canon it away as the Federation not living up to its own standards and laws and violating its own legal code while hoping nobody would ever hold the perpetrators accountable. This is the same Federation, after all, that developed its own illegal cloaking device on the U.S.S. Pegasus. 
Loved the episode - gave it a 9. Really liked Ren; hope we see more of him later on. Discovery-A looks pretty badass.
Not sure if mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but San was a childhood friend of Georgiou whom she trained with, according to the last Discovery novel Die Standing by John Jackson Miller. All the book mentioned is that she “lost him” “early”, and learned to live without him.
Not sure if mentioned elsewhere in the thread, but San was a childhood friend of Georgiou whom she trained with, according to the last Discovery novel Die Standing by John Jackson Miller. All the book mentioned is that she “lost him” “early”, and learned to live without him.
People always forget, it was specifically ILLEGAL genetic modification that was against Federation law...Even worse. That was an official Federation research station sanctioned by the authorities.
Which means there is LEGAL genetic modification.
Yup. "Unnatural Selection" was a government op, specifically aimed at creating better people when most genetic manipulation has other aims and only accidentally risks new Khans. "Up the Long Ladder" was a private run, and the government would be keen on shutting it down even if the culprits aren't exactly Federation citizens.
Seems so.
And I guess two things should be noted about this:
a) Running out of dilithium had nothing to do with the Burn, as far as the heroes can tell. It was just one in the short list of things that Burnham and Sahil felt contributed to the downfall of the Federation. (Of course, we may later learn that the two things were connected in additional ways after all, and the short list was clever foreshadowing...)
b) All dilithium might be "inert" when dug up from a mine and stored on a shelf. It just needs to be "energized" (a concept familiar from TOS already) when used for antimatter appeasement, or it fails to work and everything goes ka-wa-tchoom. And energizing isn't difficult or anything - but if it suddenly and inexplicably fails when dilithium is in the oven, it's bad news indeed. So Earth has stockpiles of normal, inert dilithium that can be energized at any time and used for warp travel, but nobody has big stockpiles because dilithium is a scarce resource and the recrystallizing trick isn't 100% effective. And some are wary of using their stockpiles, because there might be another Burn.
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Seems so.
And I guess two things should be noted about this:
a) Running out of dilithium had nothing to do with the Burn, as far as the heroes can tell. It was just one in the short list of things that Burnham and Sahil felt contributed to the downfall of the Federation. (Of course, we may later learn that the two things were connected in additional ways after all, and the short list was clever foreshadowing...)
b) All dilithium might be "inert" when dug up from a mine and stored on a shelf. It just needs to be "energized" (a concept familiar from TOS already) when used for antimatter appeasement, or it fails to work and everything goes ka-wa-tchoom. And energizing isn't difficult or anything - but if it suddenly and inexplicably fails when dilithium is in the oven, it's bad news indeed. So Earth has stockpiles of normal, inert dilithium that can be energized at any time and used for warp travel, but nobody has big stockpiles because dilithium is a scarce resource and the recrystallizing trick isn't 100% effective. And some are wary of using their stockpiles, because there might be another Burn.
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I guess we can head canon it away as the Federation not living up to its own standards and laws and violating its own legal code while hoping nobody would ever hold the perpetrators accountable. This is the same Federation, after all, that developed its own illegal cloaking device on the U.S.S. Pegasus.
Except the Federation didn't know about it. It was developed covertly. Picard was not only exposing it to the Romulans, but to the Federation too.
The way they’re showing the effects of stress and mental trauma on the crew this season, I think that’s very likely.
Georgiou in the flashbacks is calling out a name 'San' (presumably the body), San was the name of a childhood friend of Georgiou's that was mentioned in the novel 'Die Standing'.
JoeP reminded me over in the litverse thread.
Wouldn't be the first time an author put in things from an upcoming Season. Saru's homeworld's name 'Kaminar' was first mentioned in the novel 'Fear Itself' as was the name of the Ba'ul. Though the description given in the book was not how the show portrayed them.
The novel 'Enterprise War' also (kind of) had a character from one of the Season 2 Short Treks, but they were renamed in the Short Trek after the novel was published.
JoeP reminded me over in the litverse thread.
Wouldn't be the first time an author put in things from an upcoming Season. Saru's homeworld's name 'Kaminar' was first mentioned in the novel 'Fear Itself' as was the name of the Ba'ul. Though the description given in the book was not how the show portrayed them.
The novel 'Enterprise War' also (kind of) had a character from one of the Season 2 Short Treks, but they were renamed in the Short Trek after the novel was published.
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I don't see any reason to assume that, unless the Burn got him mid-flight.
Commander.
Although she is probably even less likely to take command than Stamets would be. Neither of them seem particularly inclined, or even able, to do so (Reno is a complete jerk to pretty much everyone she meets, and Stamets only cares about his research). So Nilsson is probably the XO now.
That was an official Federation research station sanctioned by the authorities.
I find it VERY likely that Darwin Station was Section 31. That's totally in their wheelhouse.
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I thought she was saying 'son.'
Also it depends on whether the burn reached the DQ which is not confirmed.
According to the sub titles it's "San".
Ah, ok. Thanks.
That was a secret group of Starfleet Security, probably 31.I guess we can head canon it away as the Federation not living up to its own standards and laws and violating its own legal code while hoping nobody would ever hold the perpetrators accountable. This is the same Federation, after all, that developed its own illegal cloaking device on the U.S.S. Pegasus.
No, it's "San!"
Maybe he was her first love, she accidentally killed him, and she had to suppress her feelings for him for years. Now they're coming back...
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