Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x06 - "Scavengers"

[137th Gebirg]

The only reason I could see for her to need to go back is this thing about the PU and MU moving farther apart, possibly resulting in her death from some quantum fluctuations causing phase variances in her whatevers (insert appropriate technobabble here). The odd flashbacks she's having may have something to do with this. Or maybe glasses man really messed with her head. Or both...

 

[Visitor1982]

He isn't. They're not going back to the 23rd Century. None of them are. Georgiou especially has no reason to go back. She was in the Prime 23rd Century for a hot minute. She has no real connection there.

Unless you have insider info that says otherwise (and isn't from two or three years ago), it doesn't look like the direction they're going in now.

The last rumours I heard she was going to be on some kind of secret time ship, the Windcleaver, hopping through time and different universes to stop or help crucial events, according to Section 31 that is... Could be bogus. We'll see.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Poor Grudge can't hide under beds anymore. They simply can turn them off.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

The last rumours I heard she was going to be on some kind of secret time ship, the Windcleaver, hopping through time and different universes to stop or help crucial events, according to Section 31 that is... Could be bogus. We'll see.

Maybe she'll be sent through different times, but only times that existed in her past. She will inhabit a person in that era, helping to keep historic events happening!

Nah, won't work...

 

[GeorgeKirk]

It sure looks like the main plot of this season is going to be Michael and the Disco crew figuring out what caused The Burn and fixing it, thereby restoring the Federation. Just for fun, let's translate that into a contemporary setting. Let's say a Turkish sailing ship from the 1400s is thrown forwards in time and washes up on the shore of the Mediterranean in 2020, and one of the first things they learn is that the Ottoman Empire fell 100 years ago after World War I.

"Ah," they say. "So all we have to do is find out what caused this 'World War I', undo it, and the Ottoman Empire will spring back into existence!"

Of course that's crazy. But that's basically where Disco is going this season. It's a shame, too, because the idea of our crew thrown 900 years in the future with no familiar reference points and only themselves and their ship to rely on was a really great premise. But like the producers of Voyager 25 years ago, they're afraid to commit to it.

Instead, Michael and friends are going to figure out what caused the Burn and fix it. The season finale will end with a montage of Federation starships visiting Earth, Trill, etc. to welcome them back into the fold accompanied by a patented Michael Burnham Grey's Anatomy Voiceover that goes something like this:

"Sometimes, when hope is lost, all we have is the stars. But in the stars, we find each other. And in each other, we find strength. In in that strength, we find the courage to look within ourselves and find the hope that was never lost at all."

And then a giant Borg cube will appear at the last second to give us a cliffhanger going into Season 4.

 

[eschaton]

Again, my hypothesis with the flashbacks is basically that Cronenberg's character did something to Georgiou which is slowly reversing the (apparently now canonical) biological psychopathy inherent to MU Terrans.

While I hate what this says about the MU, this means that Georgiou can have some sort of realistic redemption arc - even if biologically instigated - which will make her far more enjoyable as a character.

 

[Lord Garth]

It sure looks like the main plot of this season is going to be Michael and the Disco crew figuring out what caused The Burn and fixing it, thereby restoring the Federation. Just for fun, let's translate that into a contemporary setting. Let's say a Turkish sailing ship from the 1400s is thrown forwards in time and washes up on the shore of the Mediterranean in 2020, and one of the first things they learn is that the Ottoman Empire fell 100 years ago after World War I.

"Ah," they say. "So all we have to do is find out what caused this 'World War I', undo it, and the Ottoman Empire will spring back into existence!"

Of course that's crazy. But that's basically where Disco is going this season. It's a shame, too, because the idea of our crew thrown 900 years in the future with no familiar reference points and only themselves and their ship to rely on was a really great premise. But like the producers of Voyager 25 years ago, they're afraid to commit to it.

Instead, Michael and friends are going to figure out what caused the Burn and fix it. The season finale will end with a montage of Federation starships visiting Earth, Trill, etc. to welcome them back into the fold accompanied by a patented Michael Burnham Grey's Anatomy Voiceover that goes something like this:

"Sometimes, when hope is lost, all we have is the stars. But in the stars, we find each other. And in each other, we find strength. In in that strength, we find the courage to look within ourselves and find the hope that was never lost at all."

And then a giant Borg cube will appear at the last second to give us a cliffhanger going into Season 4.

Thanks. Now I know exactly what's NOT going to happen.

 

[Jadeb]

Again, my hypothesis with the flashbacks is basically that Cronenberg's character did something to Georgiou which is slowly reversing the (apparently now canonical) biological psychopathy inherent to MU Terrans.

While I hate what this says about the MU, this means that Georgiou can have some sort of realistic redemption arc - even if biologically instigated - which will make her far more enjoyable as a character.

I hope not. That's a terrible take. The whole appeal of "Mirror Mirror" is that we're not inherently good (as we like to think) or inherently evil. Instead, we're a product of our circumstances but can choose our path forward.

How much of a cartoon character has Discovery given us that they would need some sort of biological explanation for her eeevil? MU Spock wouldn't need that.

 

[fireproof78]

Or maybe glasses man really messed with her head.

I think this is more likely to be so.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It sure looks like the main plot of this season is going to be Michael and the Disco crew figuring out what caused The Burn and fixing it, thereby restoring the Federation. Just for fun, let's translate that into a contemporary setting. Let's say a Turkish sailing ship from the 1400s is thrown forwards in time and washes up on the shore of the Mediterranean in 2020, and one of the first things they learn is that the Ottoman Empire fell 100 years ago after World War I.

"Ah," they say. "So all we have to do is find out what caused this 'World War I', undo it, and the Ottoman Empire will spring back into existence!"

Of course that's crazy. But that's basically where Disco is going this season. It's a shame, too, because the idea of our crew thrown 900 years in the future with no familiar reference points and only themselves and their ship to rely on was a really great premise. But like the producers of Voyager 25 years ago, they're afraid to commit to it.

Instead, Michael and friends are going to figure out what caused the Burn and fix it. The season finale will end with a montage of Federation starships visiting Earth, Trill, etc. to welcome them back into the fold accompanied by a patented Michael Burnham Grey's Anatomy Voiceover that goes something like this:

"Sometimes, when hope is lost, all we have is the stars. But in the stars, we find each other. And in each other, we find strength. In in that strength, we find the courage to look within ourselves and find the hope that was never lost at all."

And then a giant Borg cube will appear at the last second to give us a cliffhanger going into Season 4.

Nope.The Burn isn't the equivalent of the assassination of Duke Ferdinand and long simmering national rivalries. Finding the cause of the Burn won't undo it. At best they can prevent another Burn, make FTL travel easier and promote new or restored alliances .

 

[RAMA]

Section 31 is going to be a 23rd century show. Ash is the Head of sec 31 now.

Spoiler: Well..

Yes, I happen to know Georgiou will be going back.

RAMA

He isn't. They're not going back to the 23rd Century. None of them are. Georgiou especially has no reason to go back. She was in the Prime 23rd Century for a hot minute. She has no real connection there.

Unless you have insider info that says otherwise (and isn't from two or three years ago), it doesn't look like the direction they're going in now.

 

[Yistaan]

Spoiler

Georgiou possibly going back to the 23rd century causes all sorts of problems. She now knows about the Burn. Section 31 will find ways of getting that info from her and then preventing the Burn.

 

[eschaton]

Thinking about it more, I am leaning towards this all being a massive red herring. The season is leaning so heavily into dynamics from Season 1 (Michael's random-ass decisions blow up in her face, until the end) or Season 2 (mystery box must be unlocked one piece at a time) that the smart thing for Michelle Paradise to do would be subvert our expectations and go somewhere else entirely.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There was a Terran dagger involved, what we saw of the body looked male, and she yelled "San!", so I guess it was some male family member she killed and now she remembers how much she regrets it.

Is this a Terran dagger I see before me?

I like my version better.

 

[DEWLine]

it was nice that they named a starship after writer Ursula Le Guin. She once wrote an article in TV guide saying she loved TNG.

I got to see her speak live in person once here in Ottawa back in 2009. Ottawa International Writers' Festival, spring edition. Packed room, and the room was the main hall at Saint Brigid's Arts Centre (a former church going back to the 19th Century CE).

 

[Nerys Myk]

She's only a hundred some years behind everyone else I guess.

Since everybody and their mothers should have that same data.

Apparently not. The data seems be from ships destroyed by the Burn.

 

[NCC-73515]

Less than half of 26 still gives more than half of 13.

not sure if you're serious

 

[Timo]

Again, my hypothesis with the flashbacks is basically that Cronenberg's character did something to Georgiou which is slowly reversing the (apparently now canonical) biological psychopathy inherent to MU Terrans.

Georgiou declared the thing a lie. Why doubt her? She's Burnham's foster mother, so some of the absolute righteousness and omniscience of her ward will seep off to her.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[NCC-73515]

what do you mean? At this point you just need 3 black boxes (which now they have) to pinpoint the source of the burn to two quite precise possible locations in space, the next logical step would be to check those out.

It’s not rocket science, it’s indeed something that the Greek in BC times could have done!

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Where did you live? Maybe Japan and the UK edited, but I have seen the explosion in the US Italy and Germany.......I don't see how you say it was a misstep either. It is listed in several Top Trek episode lists.

It was cut from the German version in the 90s, but maybe it's back in the remastered version now.

 

[JD]

He isn't. They're not going back to the 23rd Century. None of them are. Georgiou especially has no reason to go back. She was in the Prime 23rd Century for a hot minute. She has no real connection there.

Unless you have insider info that says otherwise (and isn't from two or three years ago), it doesn't look like the direction they're going in now.

When the originally announced the show, they said it was going to star Michelle Yeoh as Georgiou, and Shazad Latif as Ash Tyler/Voq. I guess they could have been lying about Latif's role to cover up the fact that it was going to be set in the 32nd Century, but that seems unlikely. If they were not going to involve him they would have just not mentioned him, rather than lying.
I enjoyed this episode overall. I do agree that Burnham going rogue was a bit annoying, but it wasn't enough to ruin the episode for me.
I really enjoyed the stuff with her and Georgiou going to rescue book.
Tilly and Grudge was pretty funny.
The relationship between Adira and Stamets seems like it should be pretty nice.
I'm very curious to see who's going to become XO now that Burnham has lost the potion.