Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[Sakonna]

Two winners in a row. My only serious complaint was Tilly not ONCE asking "what is your plan?" or "what do you want?" If they want to hold off that reveal, they shouldn't have had May constantly repeating "this isn't my plan!" and "this isn't what I want!" Stop prompting an obvious follow-up question if you can't have the character ask it yet!

I guess I'd also quibble with the logic of L'Rell's speech at the end. Call me mother? And I don't really see how it shores up her position as Chancellor to confess to being completely betrayed by her closest and most trusted advisor, and also to need to be saved by others in physical combat. But it really just become another opportunity to appreciate the astounding prosthetic acting of Mary Chieffo -- somehow, she made it all land.

The S2 premiere made me so relieved these writers were soon to be gone. "New Eden" and "Point Of Light" are instead making me fearful Disco will be scrambled into incoherence again by that BtS turmoil, just as it was finally stabilizing.

I've seen some say they were distracted by the canon repair work, but I was actually impressed with how slick it was. It all felt organically a part of this story.

Last season when Tyler went off with L'Rell, I assumed it was just a way to write out a character whose basic identity had become so confused and nonsensical that they didn't believe they could write anything coherent for him anymore. I was surprised when I heard he was coming back at all, and even more surprised to watch this ep and feel they finally had a clear-eyed view of who this character is. I'm looking forward to more.

I also thought the directing this week was fantastic (best of series so far?). That spinning around through the bridge crew in the beginning. The conversation between Michael and Tyler. Fantastic.

 

[saladdays]

On first viewing, going to give it a 7, and I think that score won't get much better from me. I'm treating it essentially for what it was, a bridging episode, kind of stopping to update where some characters are, and then we continue next week with moving forward in the arc.

I agree with it being a bridging episode, which made it feel at times a bit disjointed. It kind of felt like the Spock arc was trying to compete with the Klingon arc for A plot, and perhaps they needed to have separate episodes for those different arcs. I'm not sure if that would have fit in well with the series right now (Klingons aren't a major plot point right now, even though the idea of the empire being united is important), and having a whole episode revolve around that (even with Section 31 getting involved) probably would not work. But overall it was still enjoyable to me.

 

[Amaris]

Ah -- thanks. I didn't follow the conversation thread properly.

That said, my question still stands for anyone who has some idea of Klingon sentence syntax. That question being, "What did TyVoq actually call the D7 in that scene?"

I went back and listened and didn't hear "K't'inga" anywhere in his speech. Considering "K't'inga" is the Klingon name for the ship, I would imagine that would be what we hear.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Two winners in a row. My only serious complaint was Tilly not ONCE asking "what is your plan?" or "what do you want?" If they want to hold off that reveal, they shouldn't have had May constantly repeating "this isn't my plan!" and "this isn't what I want!" Stop prompting an obvious follow-up question if you can't have the character ask it yet!

On the bright side, at least they didn't go through five or six episodes of Tilly keeping her "vision/hallucination" a secret from everyone else. I cannot stand that trope. It's infuriatingly frustrating and not effective dramatic storytelling.

 

[Greg Cox]

Could those who gave this episode a 9 or 10 tell me how much CBS is paying them and how I can get a piece of the action?

I'm going to assume this is a joke, but honestly the "paid shill" thing is getting old. It's annoying when politicians dismiss critics as "paid protesters" and it's just as annoying when folks assert that other people can't really own their own opinions but are just faking it because they're being paid or whatever.

Here's a crazy idea. Why not take people at their word when they express an opinion different that yours?

 

[SpocksOddSocks]

Two winners in a row.

My thoughts exactly. The past two episodes have gotten a 9 from me (higher than anything from the first season), whereas Brother got a 6 (lower than anything I bothered to grade in the first season, though MTMTSMGM might have only gotten a 6 too if I'd have rated it here).

 

[saladdays]

I'm going to assume this is a joke, but honestly the "paid shill" thing is getting old. It's annoying when politicians dismiss critics as "paid protesters" and it's just as annoying when folks assert that other people can't really own their own opinions but are just faking it because they're being paid or whatever.

Here's a crazy idea. Why not take people at their word when they express an opinion different that yours?

I can't like your post enough.

 

[saladdays]

On the bright side, at least they didn't go through five or six episodes of Tilly keeping her "vision/hallucination" a secret from everyone else. I cannot stand that trope. It's infuriatingly frustrating and not effective dramatic storytelling.

Yeah, I thought they would string that out more too, and am glad it basically was really only only about half of two episodes that it was introduced to when she told others about it.

 

[Campe]

I'm going to assume this is a joke, but honestly the "paid shill" thing is getting old. It's annoying when politicians dismiss critics as "paid protesters" and it's just as annoying when folks assert that other people can't really own their own opinions but are just faking it because they're being paid or whatever.

Here's a crazy idea. Why not take people at their word when they express an opinion different that yours?

Why can't I like this post twice?!?!

 

[Kor]

It was okay. I could do without the return to S1's gratuitous Klingon gore. I skip over those parts.

...Seciton 31 has the feeling of being from conspiracy sites, with the head agency known as CONTROL.

And here I thought it was a clever reference to the works of John Le Carre. It made me smile. (that predated Get Smart, for those who keep assuming that's where the name originated)

Kor

 

[Amaris]

I understand some people liked the Tyler/Burnham romance, but I still don't see the chemistry. I see more chemistry between Burnham and Tilly, if I'm being blunt about it. So I'm hoping the need to have Michael and Ash keep interacting as broken hearted lovers kind of goes away.

 

[cultcross]

I still don't see the chemistry

That's cos there kind of isn't any. They weren't the couple with the chemistry in season 1; shame that they're the one we're still seeing.

 

[XCV330]

It was okay. I could do without the return to S1's gratuitous Klingon gore. I skip over those parts.



And here I thought it was a clever reference to the works of John Le Carre. It made me smile. (that predated Get Smart, for those who keep assuming that's where the name originated)

Kor

I honestly didn't know that. I was wanting to see 2Voq and Georgiou go under the Cone of Silence

 

[cultcross]

Oh, I forgot to say, we finally got a one line, non convoluted, description of Tyler. "Klingon made to look human". Thank you, that's what I wanted in season 1!

 

[Mechanoid1]

So this is how they fix the continuity issues. S1 ep2 we saw a ship refered to as a D7 which looked way different than anything weve ever seen. Today we see a new ship its also called a D7 and it looks like the TOS version. Bald Klingons = at war, Hair = post war/peace time. Everybody in Starfleet uses holgraphic screens, Pike and starbase 5 commanders grandmother only use Viewscreens (many years later so does Kirk and many years after that all the way to Jean-luc - only viewscreens)
This is the worst show and needs to be cancelled. 1,Spock needs his mommy because of feelings? 2,TILLY is a fast runner. 3,Chancellor vs. Mother, Mother (now thats Klingon) 4, Emporess/31 is intrusted by Starfleet. 5, Klingon Monks.
ITS OVER, PLEASE CANCELL THIS ALTERNATE STAR TREK (STD)

 

[Gepard]

And I don't really see how it shores up her position as Chancellor to confess to being completely betrayed by her closest and most trusted advisor, and also to need to be saved by others in physical combat.

That part kinda sorta made sense to me, or at least I could see what L'Rell would be going for – if the House of Kor sacrificed to save another, different House, then the other Houses might be willing to give this alliance thing a try. "Well, if Kor thought it was worth fighting for..."

1,Spock needs his mommy because of feelings?

That's generally how children work, yes.

Why can't I like this post twice?!?!

Like.
Unlike.
LIKE AGAIN!

 

[shapeshifter]

This episode is pure, unadulterated Discovery. I love it for the same reason a number of people here don't. This is what I'm talking about. Despite the new additions, despite the new storyline, the show hasn't wavered. And neither have I.

Abosfrigginlutly! Another 11 for me!

 

[Mach5]

I loved how the English subtitles switched to Klingon when the spoken language switched to English. That was clever.

Most Klingons still look like crap, though. The prosthetics remain way overdone.

All in all, a rather mediocre episode.

 

[cultcross]

Klingon Monks

You know the Boreth monastery is from TNG, yes?

ITS OVER, PLEASE CANCELL THIS ALTERNATE STAR TREK (TNG)

 

[Greg Cox]

The severed heads didn't bother me, btw. The Klingons are supposed to be extreme and even gross on occasion: they eat live worms, they drink "bloodwine," they like rough sex, they batter each other with pain-sticks, they have mind-rippers and vicious monster-dogs, etc. Severed heads are at most a difference in degree not of kind. Shocking is kinda the Klingon's thing.

And, honestly, a couple of severed heads is pretty tame by modern standards. Forget GAME OF THRONES; severed heads are a staple of Halloween horror decorations, old Vincent Price movies, etc. I get that not every Trekkie is also a horror buff, but a severed head or two are not exactly beyond the pale and haven't been for decades. You had severed heads on DARK SHADOWS back in the sixties, and that was on daytime TV.