Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 2x03 - "Point of Light"

[Tuskin38]

Oof, it's going to be a real surprise to them when they finally crack open the encyclopedia or Memory Alpha and find out what else they got wrong.

Well they haven't gotten any of it wrong yet.

 

[Hythlodeus]

Also, who the hell is Khalessshhhhhh

A slightly less famous cousin of Khaless with a lisp?

Because they wouldn't suddenly get the name of the most famous Klingon ever wrong after saying it right for 32 years?

Kahless ; Klingon pIqaD letters: qeylIS
the last letter is "S"
Pronounciation guide to "S": A sound somewhat like an English “sh,” but made farther back.

in short: they're the first ones that get it right

 

[Kemaiku]

Kahless ; Klingon pIqaD letters: qeylIS
the last letter is "S"
Pronounciation guide to "S": A sound somewhat like an English “sh,” but made farther back.

So, they just ended it with "ess" in all the live action stuff, including season 1 of this very show, and just now start using "esh"?

 

[Tuskin38]

Kahless ; Klingon pIqaD letters: qeylIS
the last letter is "S"
Pronounciation guide to "S": A sound somewhat like an English “sh,” but made farther back.

Thank you, so I was wrong.

Unless I misunderstood that.

 

[XCV330]

So, they just ended it with "ess" in all the live action stuff, including season 1 of this very show, and just now start using "esh"?

Latif has been pronouncing it with esh since season 1

 

[Kane_Steel]

I gave it a 4, I don't enjoy the Klingons on Discovery and this didn't do anything to bring me around on them. I'm also not enjoying this Spock storyline so far.

I actually really, really liked last weeks episode. It felt more like Trek to me than most of Discovery has. I was hoping we'd get more stories like that. I know this part of the season is still a remnant from the former show runners, maybe things will turn around in a bit. So far, for me (since I know how touchy people can be here) Discovery is the least favorite of my Trek shows. It has some of the best cinematography, set designs, etc. etc., I'm just not enjoying the stories they've been delivering.

I had hoped that the season would have been more like last weeks episode. More of a one off, yet still have some connection to their overall arc that they're trying to create.

Agreed about last week.

Thus far, I've rated S2 as follows:

Brother - 8/10 Fun ST adventure with a great new Captain to elevate the series.

New Eden 6/10 - Solid and engaging A-plot that is very true to Star Trek. Terrible B plot with Tilly.

Point of Light 3/10 - Completely cringeworthy stuff. Mean-spirited, edgelord nonsense that really doesn't reflect Trek. No philosophy, no deeper meaning. CW soap opera plots. Many of the worst elements of S1 in a nutshell.

Season 2 has been one step forward, two steps back so far.

 

[Hythlodeus]

So, they just ended it with "ess" in all the live action stuff, including season 1 of this very show, and just now start using "esh"?

they used this exact pronounciation in season 1

 

[Kemaiku]

Latif has been pronouncing it with esh since season 1

Sorry, it's just with their mouths filled with wadding it's hard to know what they hell any of them are saying. They were just going heavier on the esh this episode to notice it.

 

[Tuskin38]

As the others said, they've been ending it with Esh since Season 1.

 

[Lord Garth]

He brings...
Two private dicks that are sex machines to all the Klingon chicks.
Voq.
You're daaaaaaaaaaaamn right.

Voq!
Can you dig it?
They say that kat Voq is a baaaad mutha --
Shut yo mouth!
But I'm just talkin' about Voq
Then we can dig it!
He's a complicated Klingon and no one understands him but his Burnham
Ash Voq!

 

[Tuskin38]

that really doesn't reflect Trek.

Trek can be anything it wants.

 

[Kor]

Also, who the hell is Khalessshhhhhh

A slightly less famous cousin of Khaless with a lisp?

Because they wouldn't suddenly get the name of the most famous Klingon ever wrong after saying it right for 32 years?

Again... this is nothing new.

In proper tlhingan hol morphemes as developed by Okrand, the name would be qeylIS, with that S pronounced more like "sh" in English. There actually is no regular "s" sound.

kor

 

[KirkusOveractus]

they used this exact pronounciation in season 1

So then, why hadn't Marc Okrand stepped in at some point to correct them? He's been well known to be very precise (to the point of objecting to the use of "to be" in TUC, since he didn't design the language to include that, as well as complaining about the bad translations done in TFF?)

 

[Kemaiku]

Again... this is nothing new.

In proper tlhingan hol as developed by Okrand, the name would be qeylIS, with that S pronounced more like "sh" in English.

kor

Which might apply for the 5 or 6 people that learned Klingon.

 

[Campe]

I came to the conclusion on my own. It's common sense.

Except its not.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Because it's the correct pronunciation from him.

I mean cast members in TNG and so on that never spoke the name with the "h" at the end?

 

[Tuskin38]

So then, why hadn't Marc Okrand stepped in at some point to correct them? He's been well known to be very precise (to the point of objecting to the use of "to be" in TUC, since he didn't design the language to include that, as well as complaining about the bad translations done in TFF?)

Maybe he cared more about the words then the exact pronunciation.

 

[Kor]

So then, why hadn't Marc Okrand stepped in at some point to correct them? He's been well known to be very precise (to the point of objecting to the use of "to be" in TUC, since he didn't design the language to include that, as well as complaining about the bad translations done in TFF?)

The "sh" pronunciation follows Okrand's Klingon phonology correctly.

You can also hear it in Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country in Chang's pronunciation of "Qo'noS wa'" (Kronos One) during his courtroom speech.

Kor

 

[Tuskin38]

I mean cast members in TNG and so on that never spoke the name with the "h" at the end?

The writers/producers didn't care as much?
IIRC he didn't work on the TV series, just the movies.
And Kahless was never mentioned in the movies.

 

[Hythlodeus]

So then, why hadn't Marc Okrand stepped in at some point to correct them? He's been well known to be very precise (to the point of objecting to the use of "to be" in TUC, since he didn't design the language to include that, as well as complaining about the bad translations done in TFF?)

maybe he was to busy making sense of whatever the actors of 90s Trek Klingons were saying. Most of them understandably didn't bother to learn a fictional language and just made Klingon sounding sounds half of the time.