I think Lorca calculated the odds and realized there was a good chance Katrina would be captured, but also realized he might lose the game of chance himself. His “sin” was his failure to disobey the rules and try to rescue her, as he likely would have done otherwise, because of what she knows and her decision to remove him from the captaincy. Katrina knows him well and has reason to be angry on a personal level, if not on a professional one.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x08 - "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
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I think Lorca calculated the odds and realized there was a good chance Katrina would be captured, but also realized he might lose the game of chance himself. His “sin” was his failure to disobey the rules and try to rescue her, as he likely would have done otherwise, because of what she knows and her decision to remove him from the captaincy. Katrina knows him well and has reason to be angry on a personal level, if not on a professional one.
I'm starting to suspect Lorca is the actual impostor and Tyler was actually a prisoner on the D7. Certainly something happend with Lorca that was hidden from us and the Tyler thing would be a perfect ruse or misdirection to mask the switch. Just as a magician focuses attention to one hand to hide what's happening in the other -- right in front of you. I have no proof, just a hunch.
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Again, the problem with this argument is that L'Rell has already won if Lorca is Voq.
Disappointing episode. Klingon cloaking violation of canon. Mcguffin tech to deal with Mcguffin tech. Big mcguffin tech battle next week. When are the time crystal coming back? Will each character get their own power ranger coin?
How is 8 a step down? 8 would be a really good episode.
They didn't fail, they just found it easier to steal from the Romulans 10 years later
You're probably right, but I'm not as sure as you are that it would be an instant check mate move.
Well, I keep on going over this in my head and it may not be as easy as that. StarFleet has forbidden Discovery's use of the spore drive for the time being. This is L'Rell's game, not Kor's. Of course Kol end game would be the drive and to use it against the federation, but L'Rell's motivation may be to oust Kol and restore honor, which woudn't automatically be facilitated by a jump into Klingon space.
Also, Lorca has placed Burnham on the bridge and, given her past actions, is not likely to question her captain and mutiny.
Again, no proof. I've been wrong before
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They just used the drive in this very episode to try and save the Gargarin.
Yeah, given Stamets is the navigator now, and seems to be holding up better than the tardi, that order seems to have been thrown out the window.
Hmmm - you are right. I do remember this being a point in the last episode (or two back), no? If not I'm finding it hard to keep track of some of the events
I'll probably duplicate some thoughts, but (being new to the discussions) that seems to be the trend....
I, too, found that there were several features that reminded me of TOS...type of rocks and lighting used on the planet being one of them.
I would bet that the Admiral is still alive...but will L'Rell be in any shape to help her out.
Stamets is in pretty bad shape. Frankly, I'm surprised they're allowing a human to be interfaced with the ship in that way. Really...it's never been done before, so basically they're experimenting on him!
I've seen the arguments for and against, but I'm not convinced Tyler is Voq straight up. As someone else suggested, there has to be more complexity to it. Among others that have been posted....certain other questions arise: why make some of the decisions he has made to this point if he is indeed Voq who looks human? Why hasn't the show alluded more directly to his deceit and/or shown him doing something/anything that would be out of character for someone in Tyler's position?
Good episode, but I agree...it seemed short (watched on my PVR)
I, too, found that there were several features that reminded me of TOS...type of rocks and lighting used on the planet being one of them.
I would bet that the Admiral is still alive...but will L'Rell be in any shape to help her out.
Stamets is in pretty bad shape. Frankly, I'm surprised they're allowing a human to be interfaced with the ship in that way. Really...it's never been done before, so basically they're experimenting on him!
I've seen the arguments for and against, but I'm not convinced Tyler is Voq straight up. As someone else suggested, there has to be more complexity to it. Among others that have been posted....certain other questions arise: why make some of the decisions he has made to this point if he is indeed Voq who looks human? Why hasn't the show alluded more directly to his deceit and/or shown him doing something/anything that would be out of character for someone in Tyler's position?
Good episode, but I agree...it seemed short (watched on my PVR)
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After this episode I am starting to think that Voq/Lressa's plans are not what we think they are.You're probably right, but I'm not as sure as you are that it would be an instant check mate move.
Well, I keep on going over this in my head and it may not be as easy as that. StarFleet has forbidden Discovery's use of the spore drive for the time being. This is L'Rell's game, not Kor's. Of course Kol end game would be the drive and to use it against the federation, but L'Rell's motivation may be to oust Kol and restore honor, which woudn't automatically be facilitated by a jump into Klingon space.
Also, Lorca has placed Burnham on the bridge and, given her past actions, is not likely to question her captain and mutiny.
Again, no proof. I've been wrong before
Kol wants the drive but I am not convinced that the two rebels do, it's almost like they are really trying to understand the Federation and may be beginning to realise that the Federation is not the enemy and never was.
I am liking where it's going so far.
I think part of the issue about killing female authority figures is the irony they're making many more of them women.
Which means the disposable roles go to them.
Which means the disposable roles go to them.
Oh...a question....I was trying to search about the size of the various ships. It appears Discovery is roughly the size of Enterprise? Based on preview of next week, would we assume Kol's ship is roughly double the size of Discovery...perhaps like Enterprise-D?
When we last saw Voq, L'Rell told him he was going to go to her sisters, or wherever, and would have to sacrifice "everything" in order for his faction to regain the upper hand. I've just assumed he's off doing that, whatever this sacrifice might entail. Whether it means he has had to become Tyler (and thereby "sacrificing" his Klingon self) remains to be seen, but I for one haven't been clamouring to see what he's been doing, just assuming that when the time comes he'll pop up again for a big reveal, one way or another.
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If that's the case, I really wonder why as the actual runtime (with the standard flashback intro and credits) was under 40 minutes <--- And that's short even were this show on broadcast or premium cable. Unless there was some serial story element they didn't want exposed in this episode, I really have to wonder what they were going for here; because overall both storylines of this episode didn't come across very well (IMO).
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