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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x07 - "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad"

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Kor said:
This. Just because they have a certain ability, that doesn't mean it's "activated" all the time. It's like carrying a flashlight around; you have to actually turn it on to use it.
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I don't know? From looking at the transcript for "The Loss", I get the idea it is always on. She may not consciously choose to notice other minds, like we try not to listen to others conversations, but it is still always there. We can't switch our hearing or sight or smell off. I don't believe she can turn a sense off.
 
jaime said:
Clubs I went to we danced to Carmina Buruna.

And does nobody remember the Disco version of Beethoven’s fifth? Or the Also Sparch Zarathustra thing?
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I remember the disco versions of Star Wars & Battlestar Galactica. The original Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers was also a product of the 70's and also had healthy smatterings of disco-funk instrumentals.
 
Nyotarules said:
That's why they insist on playing Beethoven at the club in 2017
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jaime said:
Clubs I went to we danced to Carmina Buruna.

And does nobody remember the Disco version of Beethoven’s fifth? Or the Also Sparch Zarathustra thing?
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137th Gebirg said:
I remember the disco versions of Star Wars & Battlestar Galactica. The original Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers was also a product of the 70's and also had healthy smatterings of disco-funk instrumentals.
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...And it's well known Star Wars music itself was essentially Gustav Holst's The Planets from the 1910s.

See, @Nyotarules? The point is we can't predict popularity trends. You can predict Beethoven isn't big in 2017 clubs, but you live in 2017, so as Mudd would say, you cheated.
 
zar said:
...And it's well known Star Wars music itself was essentially Gustav Holst's The Planets from the 1910s.
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It might have been influenced by Holst, but it wasn't a direct copy of his work or his family would have sued. They did sue Zimmer for Gladiator and it I recall correctly, it was settled.
 
XCV330 said:
It might have been influenced by Holst, but it wasn't a direct copy of his work or his family would have sued. They did sue Zimmer for Gladiator and it I recall correctly, it was settled.
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Yes, but this is more about the popularity of music styles over time than copyright.
 
Needed more ‘70s Disco music. Besides the obvious connotations, that stuff is and will remain timeless for the next 500 years.

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Look at it! It goes together with sci-fi like bacon and more bacon.
 
From a few pages ago...
jaime said:
Tholians. Since no one else has mentioned four dimensional life forms with a liking for crystals...
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I think you may have nailed it here. If you go cue up the episode to where Tilly is taking a hand-held scan of the space whale, she finds something and transfers it to Burnham at a video monitor. The visual is of a very angular shaped craft inside 'Gracie', similar to the ships used by the Tholians in TTW. It's not exact but close enough, by reason of the angular facets, to conclude it may be an previously unknown Tholian design.

Or the show runners are screwing around.
 
Regarding music, Kieth DeCandido made the point in his most recent review the reason Trek typically avoided contemporary music and picked things like classical and jazz is the showrunners were cheap and didn't want to pay for music still under copyright. Regardless, I think it would be cool if some real attempt was made to have "future music" as was done in say The Fifth Element, as it would help bring home that the 23rd century is culturally alien to us, not just like today, only in the future. But it would probably be a bit too much to do it across an entire season.

Regarding tech, I have to say one of the things that has always irked me about Trek is how technological improvements seem to be consistently shown as being some sort of one-off thing. That is to say, if at some point in time an galaxy-shattering advance is abandoned due to drawbacks, not only doesn't the Federation ever revisit it, but none of the other thousands of races in space seem to pick it up either. Since technology is based upon application of the fundamental physical reality of the universe (laws of physics, chemistry, etc) very different people and races should come up with identical solutions to given problems all the time. Therefore, no technological discovery could possibly remain unepxlored.
 
Keeper said:
From a few pages ago...


I think you may have nailed it here. If you go cue up the episode to where Tilly is taking a hand-held scan of the space whale, she finds something and transfers it to Burnham at a video monitor. The visual is of a very angular shaped craft inside 'Gracie', similar to the ships used by the Tholians in TTW. It's not exact but close enough, by reason of the angular facets, to conclude it may be an previously unknown Tholian design.

Or the show runners are screwing around.
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The equivalent of a Tholian "shuttle" maybe? Interesting theory...
 
jaime said:
Tholians. Since no one else has mentioned four dimensional life forms with a liking for crystals...
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Keeper said:
I think you may have nailed it here. If you go cue up the episode to where Tilly is taking a hand-held scan of the space whale, she finds something and transfers it to Burnham at a video monitor. The visual is of a very angular shaped craft inside 'Gracie', similar to the ships used by the Tholians in TTW. It's not exact but close enough, by reason of the angular facets, to conclude it may be an previously unknown Tholian design.
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137th Gebirg said:
The equivalent of a Tholian "shuttle" maybe? Interesting theory...
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Fascinating...that would put a whole new spin on "the renowned Tholian punctuality..."

They're never late, because if they are, they just reset and try again until they get it right! :rommie::lol::guffaw::vulcan:
 
So I rewatched "Magic to Make..." again and I still really like it. And much like my discussion about "Cause and Effect", it goes by too fast. I keep wanting to see more of the shenanigans in each loop. It's just good fun. And this time I didn't have as much issue with the "slap on the wrist" Mudd gets at the end - though I still wish they would have said something about him expecting a visit from Starfleet Intelligence later.

eschaton said:
...Regarding tech, I have to say one of the things that has always irked me about Trek is how technological improvements seem to be consistently shown as being some sort of one-off thing. That is to say, if at some point in time an galaxy-shattering advance is abandoned due to drawbacks, not only doesn't the Federation ever revisit it, but none of the other thousands of races in space seem to pick it up either. Since technology is based upon application of the fundamental physical reality of the universe (laws of physics, chemistry, etc) very different people and races should come up with identical solutions to given problems all the time. Therefore, no technological discovery could possibly remain unepxlored.
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Actually I can think of a few times where this happened. A couple are direct, and one is more tangential. For direct we have two Voyager episodes "Time and Again" and "The Omega Directive". Both episodes are cases where a Delta quadrant civilization is experimenting with dangerous technology that the Federation had previously dropped: polaric energy and omega particles. You could even make an argument for the slipstream drive in Voyager. The Federation experiments with it many times but never seems to get it right, but species 116 seems to have solved it in "Hope and Fear" (though it can't be considered a discarded tech, but maybe just a skeptically considered one). The tangential episode is DS9's "To the Death" where they visit another planet of the Iconians and have to destroy another Iconian Gateway - it's not a technology that was discarded due to a flaw, but just like in "Contagion" it was a technology destroyed rather than allowing it to fall into enemy hands - so a bit of a call back to what could have been a one-off premise-changing technology.
 
Tholian design? Awesome if it was a nod to that race.

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Trek has done futuristic music before.

It was awful. :thumbdown:

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Kor
 
If you want to hear futuristic music, come to Quark's. Don't walk, run.

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S01E07 was terrible. Give me a break with that time loop garbage. This was a total ripoff of Dark Matter S03E04. Which that episode also sucked and they are both ripoffs of the movie Groundhog Day, which also sucked. Please no more fluff episodes. If you need to fill more time, branch off of a character like GOT does. Don't avoid writing challenges, that will only cost you viewers. Need more story, follow a Klingon leader, you introduced multiple houses, show how one of the leaders came to power. There is so much more you can do than ripoff someone else's weak crap. There are 2 sides to every war, that's more than just two perspectives, that's lives, motivations, and plenty of backstory. Up until that episode the strength of that series was the writing. Please, no more fluff episodes.
 
Succubint said:
Loved the space whale and Andorian spacesuit Mudd had on. Really added some spice to the episode. It seemed to me that the episode was also more colorful visually.
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I have liked how they don't shy away from bold sci-fi visuals. Sometimes scenes look like they came right off of 70's van art.

Kor said:
Trek has done futuristic music before.

It was awful. :thumbdown:

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Kor
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Good ol' open-minded Picard. Has any explorer been less thrilled to experience new things?
 
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