Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x05 - "Choose Your Pain"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Oct 15, 2017.


Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Absolutely fantastic!

  2. 9

  3. 8

  4. 7

  5. 6

  6. 5

  7. 4

  8. 3

  9. 2

  10. 1 - I sling mudd at it!

  1. guyute03

    guyute03 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 27, 2003
    Watching right now.
    Things I noticed:

    - a Starfleet Command Vulcan
    - Archer, Decker, April, Pike mentions
    - Klingon supply line at Benzar
    - REALLY like Dr. Culber? Seriously hope he becomes CMO
    - a lot of background aliens I can't identify
    - Orca's eye injections. Disgusting.
    - Still love Lorca, such an interesting character
    - Klingon D7 Battle Cruiser
    - The Klingons who boarded Lorca's shuttle knew him by name
    - I like Rain Wilson's Mudd
    - Ash Tyler's bundled bits of saved food, like O'Brien in that DS9 episode when he's in a prison of his mind.
    - Is Ash Tyler getting raped by a Klingon captain?
    - Tilly cursing and Stemetz' look he gave her - PRICELESS
    - Klingon map mentions - Rura Penthe, Mempa, Beta Lankal?, Morbika?
    - Daystom mention
    - "eugenics experiments are forbidden" - Saru
    - Lorca blew up his old ship to save his crew from getting captured by Klingons! What!?
    - heard a lot of TOS sounds this episode
    - weird Klingon raider designs
    - finally a good scene with Saru & Burnham at the end where I don't dislike Saru
    - Black Alert toothbrush!
    - Stametz horror movie mirror!

    Another fantastic episode that works on many levels. An exceptional episode of Star Trek. Gave it a 9, easily. Ash Tyler & Dr Culber are standouts for me. Really great characters.
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  2. Succubint

    Succubint Captain Captain

    Oct 8, 2017
    Mudd was fantastic. I like how he still felt like Mudd, but without the campiness and rape-y drug dealing pimp vibe. Burnham is fine, she's sticking to her principles and acting with a conscience. What Saru said hurt her, but she accepted it. Saru was honest about his own biases and hurts. He clearly is not quite ready for command, but he's coming to understand what a burden it is, and I liked how he came around about the Tardigrade once he'd gotten over his insecurities about losing Lorca and how that compared him to Burnham. Stamets was awesome, he's fast becoming my new fave character. That said, I loved seeing more layers added to Lorca. I actually don't blame him for his decision, one that's been made plenty of times by other captains. To self destruct the ship rather than be subjected to even worse fates. His failing was to survive the loss of his ship with all hands aboard, a blame I am sure he carries with him every day.

    Ash Tyler has to be Voq. But I do think he believes he is Tyler. The House Mokai really did a number on him in terms of his memories. We know he wasn't being subject to sexual assault by T'Rell for 7 months. Therefore they must be implanted memories.

    I am glad that T'Rell survived, she needs to be front and center when Voq/Tyler finally gets activated. But by then, will he have been exposed to non-Klingon ways too much? What if he bonds with his new crew ?

    Tilly was awesome. I don't care about her skin imperfections or snoring, or her use of the word fuck. She's a good egg. Loved how much she seemed to care about Ripper, but also the crew. Her lip quivering over Stamets was adorable.

    The ending was heartwarming in terms of seeing Stamets with his beau and watching them banter as a normal caring couple. Then it turned twilight zone with that eery mirror after echo. Bring it on DSC!!!!

    9/10 for the emotional gut punches, character development & bonding, lore building, intrigue, moral dilemmas resolved, final hook.
  3. KennyClaus

    KennyClaus I have spoken............ Moderator

    Jul 19, 2001
    Tokyo Japan
    Agreed, and well put. Mudd has never been a favorite of mine. Really disliked the original Mudd, I like their take on him.
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  4. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2014
  5. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Nov 3, 2009
    Melbourne, Australia
    Don't Klingons have redundant internal organs, like 3 hearts and 4 livers? Makes sense that they would have 2 wangs.
  6. ScottJ85

    ScottJ85 Captain Captain

    Aug 1, 2016
    There hasn't really been much contact between the Federation and Klingon Empire at this point. For all we know he could have just been trying to throw her off balance.
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  7. Mr Pointy Ears

    Mr Pointy Ears Captain Captain

    Dec 21, 2008
    It still feels like it only star trek in name at the moment
  8. Succubint

    Succubint Captain Captain

    Oct 8, 2017
    I really don't get that sentiment. This episode felt like quintessential Trek to me.
  9. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Sep 17, 2011
    I took that as Lorca just being profoundly racist
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  10. Jaimito

    Jaimito Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Sep 25, 2017
    good episode. Liked how Saru approaches his captaincy. Lorca is devious.
    Think the tardigrade story is ok, though I like the spore drive scenes when the Disco takes off.
  11. Smoked Salmon

    Smoked Salmon Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Apr 12, 2012
    If you had said this after the first two festering turd episode I would have agreed. But since episode 3 the show had gradually been inching towards more familiar Trek territory and more sophisticated storytelling. If it can do that in 5 episodes one hopes that at the end of a season or two we will have progressed to pretty familiar ground.
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  12. spinagogue

    spinagogue Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Jul 28, 2015
    I found this episode disappointing after the prior two, which I gave 8 and 9 respectively. This was a 5 for me. Somehow a lot of the character interactions just didn't ring true, for example, Saru's dramatic shift in attitude toward Burnham. And not just from previous episodes, but within the episode itself.

    And it doesn't matter much to me if this series is in a "new" universe from all other Trek. But the tardigrade being warp-capable just seemed to me to violate continuity with . . . anything.

  13. Lakenheath 72

    Lakenheath 72 Commodore Commodore

    Sep 28, 2014
    As the mycelial network is one of many subspace domains, and warp power is possible only because starships can travel through another domain of subspace, what is there that says there is a prohibition against an organism warping through subspace? Does that make sense?
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  14. spinagogue

    spinagogue Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Jul 28, 2015
    Okay, I didn't think of that, and granted that all that was stated in the episode. After watching it, I was wrestling with how to make sense of it.

    I did really like parts of the episode, for example, the private "fuck off" meeting between the admiral and Lorca. Love his character. The last scene with the doctor and Stamets was well-done too, and the mirror part creepy.

  15. Scrooge McGoo

    Scrooge McGoo Fleet Admiral Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Shatterfrying positrons [TECH]
    Gave it a 4. Barely adequate, ho-hum television.
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  16. Manuuk7

    Manuuk7 Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Mar 21, 2017
    Episode felt like Trek. I was a little aghast at first episodes that all felt dark and foreboding and was worried that series had lost the Trek touch and I would have to adapt to a brand new world without hope in it. Still rated the series highly because it's Star Trek and I'm anything if not loyal. Now I feel like the universe has shifted back to center. Tardigrade scene is when heavens opened up and harps started to play and I knew I was home.
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  17. Refuge

    Refuge Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 16, 2016
    I agree. It's a bit hard to follow. It's lacking direction. So there's this Klingon war and spores and.. yeah. I used to get a bit of a buzz when there would be a bridge scene from other Star Treks. Now the bridge is just a clinical blur. So is the whole purpose of the first season beating the Klingons?
  18. Gonzo

    Gonzo Guest

    Looking forward to watching it later tonight.
  19. Chekov's Phaser

    Chekov's Phaser Waiting to be relevant. Fleet Captain

    Apr 5, 2004
    On a table.
    The trailer was at the end of the credits. At least it was for All Access.
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  20. Guy Gardener

    Guy Gardener Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Apr 15, 2000
    In the lap of squalor I assure you.
    This was a space fuller.

    The Ripper story was set up last week, and the Voq stuff is for down the line.

    They should have made more of the Eugenics issue.

    Stamets on trial (by Section 31) threatened with sterilization if his genes are too atypical.