Just saw the preview art myself and see something occuring there. Looks like Issue 2 will be set mostly aboard the Enterprise and Nero is looking up Enterprise captains, which sets fourth the events of what will happen in the film.
Star Trek: Countdown #1 early review - MASSIVE SPOILERS!
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Interesting that
the image of Kirk that Nero calls up looks like Shatner rather than Pine. Is the idea that the characters "really" look like they did in TOS and the new actors are just portraying them?
And there's a mature response.
And there's a helpful response.
Allyn made some good points about the fact that Star Trek writers tend to think way too often from an Earthbound perspective when they should be making the effort to see things through their characters' eyes. The first response he gets? "That's just silly."
If people aren't going to engage the subject, why prolong the discussion?
I though the units are Federation Standard ones, which appear to be Terran ones.
It's an airing of my frustration that someone - a respected, intelligent writer - who, when losing an argument, decides to pick up his marbles and go home in a huff.And there's a mature response.
And there's a helpful response.
But that wasn't the point he was making. Bringing "well, X makes sense from Spock's perspective" into a discussion of what the writers meant in the real world was invalid.
That wasn't the first response. Christopher, whose opinions, by the way, I have more of a tendency to disagree with, articulated a very well thought out rebuttal to which Allyn did not respond. The "silly" comment was a bit later, but no less valid, for all its brevity and, perhaps, rudeness.
Every time a character references a "Tarkalian hawk" or a "Rigelian snail" or a "Bajoran dinosaur" my eyeballs just about roll right out of my head. I'm just so sure everybody renamed their animals after they met the humans. Just once I'd like for someone to call Spot a "Terran globershlat".
huh, that's actually a pretty decent explanation. The actual references would be different for the different races using the UT, but the logic would be the same, always applying the referent's planet of origin followed by the hearer's nearest equivalent to a species native to their homeworld.
That could also solve our Spock problems. He might have said he's been living on Romulus for dezeken tolistr'ons' which translates to roughly 40 years for humans.
You're right, I did pick up my marbles and go home. But not because of you, TJ.It's an airing of my frustration that someone - a respected, intelligent writer - who, when losing an argument, decides to pick up his marbles and go home in a huff.And there's a helpful response.And there's a mature response.
Rather, I'm annoyed with Christopher.
Christopher, in my opinion more than any Star Trek writer working today, has infused his work with a certain lit-sfnal-ness that, as I suggested, is generally lacking in Star Trek.
So when he likewise dismisses my idea that Spock must clearly be thinking from a Romulan perspective, because that's the character's point-of-view, I found it both short-sighted and hypocritical.
Frankly, I thought if there was anyone that was going to agree with my point-of-view, it would have been Christopher. So, naturally, I felt sandbagged by Christopher. Worse, I felt he betrayed his own principles as a writer and his own work.
Beyond that, I have neither the time nor the energy at the present to argue the point. *shrug*
I'm afraid I find that reaction rather confusing. Yes, if I were the one writing it, I'd tend to avoid assuming that Romulan years were equivalent to Earth years. But that doesn't mean you can expect other writers to do the same, especially when it's an exception to a well-established rule. I'm not saying anything about what should be, about whether it's right or appropriate to have aliens use Earth years. I'm just saying there's plenty of precedent for that happening, and that it's premature to jump to the conclusion that this particular team of writers would defy that precedent. They've never written Trek fiction before, so we can't assume anything about their approach.
It's theoretically possible that you're right, that the writers did do what you suggest. But statistically speaking, considering how Trek writers in the past have dealt with the issue of alien years, it's improbable. Indeed, even if they are aware that year lengths can differ, they would still most likely have had Spock refer to Earth years so as not to mislead the reader -- since the comics format is too compact to allow room for explaining the difference. Indeed, in that situation I might well have done the same.
In any case, I wasn't "dismissing" your idea. All I'm saying is that we can't assume it's correct yet, because we don't have enough evidence to draw a definitive conclusion one way or the other. The next issue will probably reveal more about the timeframe.
Good thought, but not quite. Even if we're reading something translated from the Romulan, it's still translated to "40 years for humans" as you put it, which again, means 2408, not 2387.
Well, that's a relief. Allyn, we've interacted in the past on Trekcreative and Alternity, and I've always respected your opinions and intelligence, and welcomed your input into any conversation. If I gave the impression otherwise, I apologize. It's just that when you brought up "Spock's perspective" in the middle of a "what the writers meant" debate it seemed to come completely out of left field. Anyhow, beyond that...
A feeling that I frequently share, incidentally.
Tempting as it is, I'll refrain from sharing my opinions on that score.
Has anyone seen this, which I copied from the TrekMovie.com site:
>>Countdown #1 sells out, take a peek at #2
Today IDW Publisher and Editor in Chief Chris Ryal announced on his blog that the first issue of Star Trek Countdown has sold out, even though it was over printed. He cites the positive reviews from AICN, TrekMovie and others as part of the buzz leading to the sellout. Note that although IDW have sold out, it still may be available at some comic stores, but it won’t be for long.
So it is on to issue 2, which arrives February 25th.<<
Randy
>>Countdown #1 sells out, take a peek at #2
Today IDW Publisher and Editor in Chief Chris Ryal announced on his blog that the first issue of Star Trek Countdown has sold out, even though it was over printed. He cites the positive reviews from AICN, TrekMovie and others as part of the buzz leading to the sellout. Note that although IDW have sold out, it still may be available at some comic stores, but it won’t be for long.
So it is on to issue 2, which arrives February 25th.<<
Randy
I wouldn't worry about it; with those kinds of sales, I'm sure there will be a trade compilation shortly after the miniseries ends its run, perhaps even earlier than usual to have the TPB in bookstores to coincide with the film's run.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Said TPB has already been announced - due out the same day as #4.
Well, there you have it. Thanks, mate.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Which I think is awesome - more comic book companies should do this kind of thing (and I guess when I say more, I really mean DC, as Marvel had the Secret Invasion TPB out the week after the series concluded).
i refuse to buy this, since they've brought Data back. i think i'm going to boycott IDW.
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