Poll STAR TREK CONTINUES: "To Boldly Go (Parts I & II)" - Grading & Discussion Thread

[STEPhon IT]

Actually Constituion-class is indeed referenced in TOS only rather subtly. In two instances schematics are flashed onto a view screen that reference Constituion-class. One is of a phaser schematic viewed by Khan in “Space Seed” and the other is of ships shown on the briefing room view screen in “The Enterprisr Incident.”

But TOS never referenced that the Enterprise was the last surviving Connie. That is retconned from GR’s novelization of TMP.

I called it as I see it.
A series of fanfilms claiming to pay homage to TOS felt compelled to honor whatever was done after the series was cancelled. After Star Trek, it seemed GR was drinking the kool-aid of being this great bird of the galaxy, probably started from the Trek-conventions, and started thinking he was some kind of visionary.

Having these ships be obliterated in STC so easily don't honor how durable and special these Star Ships were. Sad to think "A Mirror Darkly pt. II" and "The Tressaurian Intersection" were only creative pieces who got it right. These Starship Class vessels were something to behold.

 

[STEPhon IT]

A load of Crap. Trot out your credentials then maybe we will take you more seriously.

I'll make you happy. STC is the greatest series ever. Better than TOS.

 

[Kor]

According to Memory Alpha, the technical diagram with the "Constitution Class" label was originally intended to be used in Space Seed based on direction from the script, but ultimately, the diagram did not actually appear until The Trouble with Tribbles.

Linky: http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Starship_class

In any case, it's absolutely impossible for us to read the tiny text appearing on Scotty's computer monitor in The Trouble with Tribbles, or on the monitor in the briefing room in The Enterprise Incident.

I'm OK with the Enterprise being considered "Starship Class" within the context of TOS.

Kor

 

[alensatemybuick1]

I’ll never understand why people continue to engage in these “spin your wheels” kinds of arguments that can never be settled definitivlty. I’m just glad the creators of STC (and other enjoyable fan films) decide to spend their time on more useful pursuits.

By the way, watched “The Deadly Years” today, and noted that when the Enterprise accelerated to warp when escaping the Romulans, Kirk, Sulu and Checkov were pushed back in their chairs in such a manner that suggested quite clearly that the view screen faces directly forward and that Uhura’s station (and not the turbo lift) faces directly aft.

 

[Bixby]

Hmmm, like people have been discussing Star Trek in the same way for over 50 years, maybe?

 

[alensatemybuick1]

Sure..but the same exact arguments over and over again? Seems kinda a waste of bandwidth (like, oh I dunno, repeating the same exact criticisms of STC over and over).

 

[Warped9]

Sure..but the same exact arguments over and over again? Seems kinda a waste of bandwidth (like, oh I dunno, repeating the same exact criticisms of STC over and over).

If you can’t stand hearing the same things “over and over” then how can you stand spending time on a Trek website?

 

[USS Excelsior]

I guess to seeing an NX model on display in an office must have been blasphemy for some.

 

[GNDN18]

…the view screen faces directly forward and that Uhura’s station (and not the turbo lift) faces directly aft.

36° offset or NOTHING!

I guess to seeing an NX model on display in an office must have been blasphemy for some.

Yeah, about that … it wasn’t the most egregious example.
(This isn’t a dig on Disco; I was just horrified when I first saw the McQuarrie design and astonished that it was even considered for anything, anywhere. De gustibus and all that.)

 

[Warped9]

I guess to seeing an NX model on display in an office must have been blasphemy for some.

My lungs ended up in the floor.

 

[fireproof78]

So this show establishes that the Enterprise is the only Constitution Class starship left in the end.

Don’t know if that was already established canon, but if it is then that would mean that the ENT-A must have been a brand new ship.

I believe that was the intent all along. Similarly to the San Paulo in DS9 being rechristened to the Defiant, the ENT-A was originally the Yorktown and rechristened.

 

[alensatemybuick1]

36° offset or NOTHING!

Thrusters on full:

Plenty of other examples from TOS (here's one):
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-medi...ogressive,q_80,w_800/v4f6yinzxat6cnxyhgj5.jpg

And here's one from TNG for comparison that conveys the same thing:
http://photobucket.com/gallery/user...2FwdGlvbiBUaGlzL1ROR0NhcHRpb24zMWEuanBn/?ref=

 

[Maurice]

One wonders whose idea it was to use "Constitution Class" in the not-clearly-seen image for "Space Seed". It's specified in the script, but Jefferies sure wasn't involved in the script writing, and so far as I know he never used it on anything he drew for the rest of the series (see the aforementioned "Space Cruiser" from the 3rd season).

 

[Warped9]

One wonders whose idea it was to use "Constitution Class" in the not-clearly-seen image for "Space Seed". It's specified in the script, but Jefferies sure wasn't involved in the script writing, and so far as I know he never used it on anything he drew for the rest of the series (see the aforementioned "Space Cruiser" from the 3rd season).

Matt Jefferies.

 

[alensatemybuick1]

Every hobby / field of interest has these arguments; with Oldsmobiles, its the existence of a "solid main web" (SMW) 403 motor that is as hotly debated.

In THIS post in another thread where the topic of what class ship the Enterprise is was debated, the late Greg Schnitzer summed things up rather nicely:

from: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/ncc-not-constitution-class.187942/page-4#post-7436830

Ah. Where Greg Jein got his idea from was pretty much the sole intent of my post and is somewhat interesting stuff. But whether the Enterprise was "actually" a Starship class or a Star Ship class or an Enterprise class or a Constitution class or any other class is mostly fan wankery to me and isn't really objectively provable.

 

[Maurice]

Matt Jefferies.

Based on what?

 

[Warped9]

Based on what?

He drew the schematic.

 

[USS Excelsior]

And would explain Jefferies tubes

 

[Maurice]

As I said up-thread, Jefferies drew the schematic, but the script in two places mentioned the diagrams being captioned "Constitution Class", so who was the one who came up with that? That was my point. Jefferies including text called for in the script doesn't mean he originated it.

And the crew tended to call objects by who made/handled them, hence so many props being called "Feinbergs" property master Irving A. "Irv" Feinberg.

 

[Warped9]

If I recall correctly the “phaser bank” is actually an aircraft part and I was pretty sure MJ drew it. And I was pretty sure MJ came up with the name of the ship class.