Discussion in 'Fan Productions' started by BoredShipCapt'n, May 19, 2015.
I'll check out Valiant. For me, Exeter is awesome because of the stories. A fan film can be made on a shoestring budget, and as long as the story is solid, I'll be entertained.
This. It took Youtube months to reinstate one of my accounts, and I had done nothing wrong.
As of an hour ago YT has reestablished the episode
It's not at the same location, it appears that STC reloaded it. It is here: You Tube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PvgJI6cvh8 (47:55).
That makes sense since it has the "13 years" voice-over update in reference to the Farragut incident. If I recall, the original unmodified episode was only up on youtube for a day before it was removed, and the voice-over update came a few days later on Vimeo.
Now that's good news!
Makes me glad I always download/rip fan films right when they get released. Now I have both versions!
Now I envision you with an eye patch and parrot on your shoulder..LOL
My parrot's name is Iago, lol.
To be perfectly clear, I don't rip/copy these fan films for any other reason than simply to have a backup in case the mood strikes and I can't find the videos online. I don't share them with anyone else and I certainly don't distribute them.
And it's worth noting too: none of the people making these fan films "own" them. You put it out on the internet, people are going to find a way to do this. I don't use torrent sites or pirate things like music, but I will make a copy of fan films because I enjoy them.
And since I'm sure you are curious, no. I did not copy/download that initial release of Renegades.
I just burn them to DVD so I can watch them on TV as the Great Bird intended.
From this distance they look like clones. The Green screen helps too.
Finally! Someone found a legitimate excuse to wear a pair of Uggs.
I enjoyed "The White Iris" and they've definitely got the Classic Trek look down. I thought Chuck Huber was really good this time around. Haberkorn's Spock is probably my favorite outside of Nimoy. Vic is great as Kirk as always.
Having said that, some of the story elements just didn't ring true to this Classic Trek fan.
1. Only Kirk has the code? Not seeing it. Spock would've had a back up in case the captain got sick, died suddenly, etc.
2. Kirk would've said something to McCoy after the first or second hallucination. Something like:
Kirk: Bones, is it possible that (fill in drug name) could cause hallucinations?
Bones: I suppose so....anything you want to tell me?
Kirk: I saw someone I haven't seen in a long time today. Someone dear to me who I lost.
Bones: Anythings possible Jim. You took a blow to the head, had it treated with an experimental drug. Who knows what that could do to a man. I could run some tests, see if we can find an answer.
Kirk: Not just yet Bones. We're in a critical situation and time is of the essence.
Something like that.
3. A ship like the Enterprise would certainly have a psychologist, but giving that person as prominent a role as they have is a bit too TNG for me.
4. The holodeck? Seriously, this element is too TNG for me. I don't care that the non-canon TAS had something like that, the holodeck is heavily associated with the TNG era so it's inclusion is jarring.
Aside from those minor nits, I enjoyed the story and look forward to more. As much as I like the call backs to previous episodes, I'd like to see some episodes with none. They've got us hooked, now it's time to forge ahead and make their own path.
I agree with a lot of your points. The bit about TAS being non-canon doesn't really wash. It's onscreen and it's been acknowledged in live-action Trek. And CBS markets it through the DVD set. Whether fan productions choose to acknowledge it is another matter. And, for the hundreth time, TAS didn't originate the holodeck. The idea was conceived during TOS' production though never used. TAS merely finally got around to it. Ditto with TAS' life support belts.
TAS was geared toward the Sat morning cartoon crowd, so I see why it's not considered really relevant. Giant pink Tribbles and Tribble Eaters, come on? I did enjoy Yesteryear and maybe a couple others.
Other than that, welcome to 1969 where a Vulcan can perform brain surgery on himself by "feel". I didn't find the medical inaccuracies in "The White Iris" too far in left field.
I agree about the holodeck, and beside a couple of TNG episodes (maybe Geordi and Leah Brahms which made a point later on) the holodeck was a distraction in any Trek incarnation. Hated it.
The fact that the idea was conceived for TOS rather than for its first appearance on TAS really isn't the problem. The real concern remains that because it was never used on screen in TOS and was heavily used in TNG, so when it's used people think of TNG rather than TOS or even TAS. The holodeck is jarring, and it will continue to be jarring until and unless STC becomes the default vision of TOS for everyone, and I don't see that ever happening.
For better or worse, for most people the holodeck is very strongly associated with TNG and not TOS.
From Memory Alpha:
Prior to the late 24th century, Federation starships were not equipped with holodecks. (VOY: "Flashback")
There were simply no Holodecks in TOS.
That is meaningless because it's never actually stated onscreen.
First season TNG conveys the idea that holodecks are rather new, but again it doesn't explicitly state it. The technology could (and likely was) experimented with for quite some time. As such Scotty saying his holodeck was a prototype in "Pilgrim Of Eternity" is sufficiently valid and not contradictory to what was seen (and heard) in TNG.
That said I'm not crazy about them introducing the holodeck into the TOS era even given it was conceived during TOS' production though never seen. There's no reference throughout TOS that they have that technology. Mind you in "Return Of The Archons" Spock and Kirk do remark on the image of Laandru being an impressive display of inage projection with no apparent receiving apparatus in sight. So they could be aware that such technology was possible. It's a small window, but it's there.
Introducing the holodeck into TOS also flies in the face if STC ignoring TAS where the holodeck is firmly established.
I always felt it unlikely that Kirk would be impressed by the ability to project holograms with no receiving apparatus give the fact that they've got the transporter!
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