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Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order!

Actually as an Enterprise fan, I just try to enjoy the television series for what it is... it is a television series.

Bill Cosby:

I am glad you enjoy Enterprise still. It is interesting how everyone's tastes in things are different.

For me personally, although I own Star Trek: Enterprise on DVD and have enjoyed various episodes: I have to admit. I never really was a huge fan of Enterprise.

Also, believability is a very important thing to me, not just in television shows and movies, but in every fictional piece or work I encounter or experience, too. Granted, nothing is perfect, and I do over look many mistakes within a fictional work if the overall product is exceptional enough in other areas. In fact, looking for more realistic fiction and making sense out of non sense is one my favorite personal past times.

Regardless, nice work on the chronology. I know I get confused thinking about what took place when during DS9, VOY and the TNG movies were happening at the same time!

Thank you. However, I think this new chronological viewing order recently listed (above) by Fist is more more impressive. Which I am sure you would agree. I mean, I can't imagine the work that must have gone into creating it. Someone actually had to go thru each episode and figure out the placement based on stardates, events, and story.
 
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But, the "timeline was changed because of First Contact" theory doesn't work. There were no changes on DS9 or Voyager after First Contact happened. And to further solidify this, the Voyager episode Relativity even mentions First Contact and its temporal implications, saying there are none.

Wormhole:

It was never said in "Relativity" that First Contact didn't have any Temporal incursions.

Here is the transcript taken from the scene that mentions First Contact in the Voyager episode titled "Relativity"...

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DUCANE: The Pogo Paradox.

SEVEN: A causality loop in which interference to prevent an event actually triggers the same event.

DUCANE: Excellent. Can you give me an example?

SEVEN: The Borg once travelled back in time to stop Zefram Cochrane from breaking the warp barrier. They succeeded, but that in turn led the Starship Enterprise to intervene. They assisted Cochrane with the flight the Borg was trying to prevent. Causal loop complete.

DUCANE: So, in a way, the Federation owes its existence to the Borg.

SEVEN: You're welcome.


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In that scene: the fact that there was was no mention of any temporal incursions doesn't mean that these incursions didn't exist or wasn't later corrected at another point in time. In fact, I believe the Future Federation Temporal Agency simply cleaned up the residual after effects of First Contact so we didn't see any noticeable changes in the 24th Century Time Line (all while leaving the incident to still take place). Now, why wouldn't the Future Federation Temporal Agency go back and simply stop the Borg from traveling back in time in the first place? Well, they realized they couldn't do that without altering Picard's future. Picard had learned an important lesson in dealing with his all consuming hatred for the Borg with that incident. If he didn't learn to deal with it then, Picard's future and the 24th Century most definitely would have unfolded in a much different way than what was intended.

Simply put, the events we see on Star Trek: Enterprise is a direct result of the influence from Picard and crew that was later corrected by the Future Federation Temporal Agency. Now, the Future Federation Temporal Agency could have corrected these temporal incursions in one of two ways. One, the Future Federation Temporal Agency could have noticed the changes in the time line and it took them a significant amount of time to correct it. In which case, the time line we see on Enterprise would eventually seize to exist or be erased. Two, the Future Federation Temporal Agency could have corrected the time line at a later date in history on a gradual level. They might have come to realize that the new changes in the time line (from First Contact) had a more positive influence overall to the 22nd Century (So they left various changes like humanity's advancements in technology intact within the 22nd Century). However, the changes in the time line still needed to be stopped by the 23rd Century to preserve the time line, though. So the necessary adjustments (sometime in the later half of the 22nd Century) was made from the Future Federation Temporal Agency in order to patch up the time line.

They say the Borg's activities in the 21st century had no real impact on the timeline.

It was never said in Relativity that the Borg made no real impact on the time line in the 21st Century. Actually, it was said that in a way the Federation owes it's existence to the Borg. The Borg simply set a causality loop in motion. They help set in motion the very event that they were trying to stop (with the Enterprise intervening). However, that doesn't mean there wasn't any temporal incursions that was later corrected by the Future Federation Temporal Agency. Oh, and just because they didn't mention the temporal incursions (that was later fixed), doesn't mean it didn't happen either.

And besides, it isn't even that good an excuse. How does the Borg trying to stop Zefram Cochrane's warp flight and humanity's first contact with aliens explain why the Romulans have cloaking ability 100 years before they should?

Well when the Borg tried to stop Zefram Cochrane from breaking the warp barrier, they created a causality loop in which Picard and his crew had actually helped set into motion the events of First Contact in which the Borg was trying to stop. However, as a result, Picard took Lily on a tour of the Enterprise and showed her things of the future (Such as seeing the inside of the Enterprise, shields, weapons, cybernetic aliens, holodecks, and beaming technology. Also, in addition, Picard's crew told Cochrane of the future in great detail, as well. So to imagine that Picard and crew didn't make some type of effect or lasting impression on the time line would be crazy. Cochrane and Lily now have knowledge that they didn't have before. Their view of themselves has changed, which now has a new effect on their decision making process. So it makes natural sense that Cochrane and Lily would have pushed to advance humanity earlier than it should.

These technological advancements within the time line more than likely caught the eye of both the Future Federation Temporal Agency and that Temporal Cold War Mystery Future Guy (who looked like a Romulan). Also, lets assume that this Future Guy isn't a Romulan. Well, it is a safe bet to assume that the Romulans or some other Romulan could have acquired time travel surveilance at some point in the future like the Federation. So if this was the case: it would be a logical assumption that the Romulans would want to advance their technology in order to compete with the human's technological advancement (within the 22nd Century).


Sources:
http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/523.htm
http://www.mjyoung.net/time/stcontac.html
 
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For those who care, here's an episode-by-episode chronological guide I found. It's by stardates and whatever makes sense.
ST XI can go either between Terra Prime and The Cage or After ST: Nemesis.

Fist McStrongpunch:

Wow, thank you for sharing the new list.
That is most impressive. Most impressive indeed.

:)
 
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You will note that I said that you can watch those series in the appropriate places (Enterprise before TOS and the Animated Series after TOS) if so desired. Furthermore, it is not just a matter of taste then it is a matter of logic.
Yes, and logic dictates that a chronological order has to be, well, chronological. Nothing more and nothing less. It doesn't have anything to do whether a part of the chronology can be better understood or appreciated when watched later on. Because, again, what's the point of a chronological viewing order if it's not chronological?

1. Enterprise paints a different picture of the 22nd Century (that we already knew). It goes out of it's way to blatantly disregard the Core Star Trek Time Line. Things within the 22nd Century were clearly described to us in the episodes TOS's "The Cage", TOS's "Balance of Terror", TOS's "Turnabout Intruder", TNG's "Matter of Time, TNG's "First Contact" (The episode), TNG's "Relics", and DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations". In other words, it was made very clear long ago that the 22nd Century was supposed to be a lot more primitive and different than the way we see it on Enterprise. Instead, we have a prequel series that looks more like the 24th Century than the 22nd Century. Now, I am not disputing that there wasn't canonical errors on the other shows. The difference is that the errors on Enterprise change the very thing (The 22nd Century) which this series is supposed to be based upon (Which is a prequel series).
All of that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Enterprise depicts the 22nd century of the Trek universe. Whether you like that particular way of its depiction is besides the point. It's part of the Trek canon. It's portraying the 22nd century. So chronologically it comes before all the other series.

Your going to spoil it for yourself when you first watch Enterprise and then later watch the other series.
Look, I don't disagree with you. Not at all. Any first-time viewer of the Trek series is going to be spoiled when watching Enterprise before the other series. But that doesn't matter when discussing the chronological viewing order. All that matters is the chronology.

In fact, besides the die hard fans, the Animated Series was not intended to be viewed by your average adult at the time, too.
Well, I guess D.C. Fontana, The Animated Series' associate producer and story editor, would disagree with that assessment. As would the various professional science-fiction and Star Trek writers involved in its production. ;)
 
Oh, and another thing ...

Things within the 22nd Century were clearly described to us in the episodes TOS's "The Cage", TOS's "Balance of Terror", TOS's "Turnabout Intruder", TNG's "Matter of Time, TNG's "First Contact" (The episode), TNG's "Relics", and DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations".
I'm really curious; what exactly do these episodes tell us about the 22nd century of the Trek universe, respectively?
 
Yes, and logic dictates that a chronological order has to be, well, chronological. Nothing more and nothing less. It doesn't have anything to do whether a part of the chronology can be better understood or appreciated when watched later on. Because, again, what's the point of a chronological viewing order if it's not chronological?

NCC 1701

Well, you have to understand the concept of what makes up a group or a classification first. I mean, if there was no distinction between groups then we would have no distinction between canon or non canon, black or white, sweet or salty, male or female, and dogs or cats. Everything would run or blend together and we wouldn't be able to discern one thing from something else if things didn't have their own group or classification.

In other words, if something is clearly within it's own category or group and doesn't belong in the other group, then it needs to be separated accordingly. Now that doesn't mean certain groups of things cannot be combined together in certain cases or situations. But this is not one of those cases. Plus, I was not discounting the possibility that Enterprise can be placed with the other series if one desires to watch it that way. However, it doesn't mean it is non chronological of me if I classify Enterprise into a different group to be watched within a separate category later. From where I am standing, Enterprise doesn't exist within the Core Star Trek Time Line. So it doesn't make sense to watch something that doesn't exist within that time line (or group). I mean, if there is no distinction of groups, should I place Star Wars within my chronological viewing order?

All of that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Enterprise depicts the 22nd century of the Trek universe. Whether you like that particular way of its depiction is besides the point. It's part of the Trek canon. It's portraying the 22nd century. So chronologically it comes before all the other series.

Not if it doesn't exist within that particular time line.

But that doesn't matter when discussing the chronological viewing order. All that matters is the chronology.

I wish everything in life was that simple. There are many things in life that have exceptions to the rule, my friend.

Well, I guess D.C. Fontana, The Animated Series' associate producer and story editor, would disagree with that assessment. As would the various professional science-fiction and Star Trek writers involved in its production.

Well, they are within their rights to disagree. However, they have no real official power or authority to say that it is canon, though. At the end of the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, all licenses for Star Trek spin-off fiction were renegotiated and the animated series was essentially "decanonized" by Gene Roddenberry's office.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_The_Animated_Series#Canon_issues
 
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Oh, and another thing ...
Things within the 22nd Century were clearly described to us in the episodes TOS's "The Cage", TOS's "Balance of Terror", TOS's "Turnabout Intruder", TNG's "Matter of Time, TNG's "First Contact" (The episode), TNG's "Relics", and DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations".
I'm really curious; what exactly do these episodes tell us about the 22nd century of the Trek universe, respectively?

NCC-1701

Watch the episodes for yourself and make your own judgements. Everyone will draw their own conclusions based on how much they like Enterprise, and their adherence to logic or believability within fiction. There are plenty of arguments that support the canon on Enterprise and there are plenty of debates that side against it. I have gotten into too many debates over this topic already then I care to count. It all comes down to preference and interpretation. However, if you don't want to debate the issue, I would be happy to tell you what they are by private message. Simply send me a PM. Just understand that I may not reply back if decide you want to argue over the issue with me, though.
 
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My New Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order!

Core Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order

TOS - The Cage
TOS - Where No Man Has Gone Before
TOS - The Man Trap
TOS - Charlie X
TOS - The Naked Time
TOS - The Enemy Within
TOS - Mudd’s Women
TOS - What Are Little Girls Made Of?
TOS - Miri
TOS - Dagger Of The Mind
TOS - The Corbomite Maneuver
TOS - The Menagerie, Part 1
TOS - The Menagerie, Part 2
TOS - The Conscience Of The King
TOS - Balance Of Terror
TOS - Shore Leave
TOS - The Galileo Seven
TOS - The Squire Of Gothos
TOS - Arena
TOS - Tomorrow Is Yesterday
TOS - Court Martial
TOS - The Return Of The Archons
TOS - Space Seed
TOS - A Taste Of Armageddon
TOS - This Side Of Paradise
TOS - The Devil In The Dark
TOS - Errand Of Mercy
TOS - The Alternative Factor
TOS - The City On The Edge Of Forever
TOS - Operation: Annihilate
TOS - Amok Time
TOS - Who Mourns For Adonais?
TOS - The Changeling
TOS - Mirror, Mirror
TOS - The Apple
TOS - The Doomsday Machine
TOS - Cat’s Paw
TOS - I, Mudd
TOS - Metamorphosis
TOS - Journey To Babel
TOS - Friday’s Child
TOS - The Deadly Years
TOS - Obsession
TOS - Wolf In The Fold
TOS - The Trouble With Tribbles
TOS - The Gamesters Of Triskelion
TOS - A Piece Of The Action
TOS - The Immunity Syndrome
TOS - A Private Little War
TOS - Return To Tomorrow
TOS - Pattern Of Force
TOS - By Any Other Name
TOS - The Omega Glory
TOS - The Ultimate Computer
TOS - Bread And Circuses
TOS - Assignment: Earth
TOS - Spock’s Brain
TOS - The Enterprise Incident
TOS - The Paradise Syndrome
TOS - And The Children Shall Lead
TOS - Is There In Truth No Beauty?
TOS - Spectre Of The Gun
TOS - Day Of The Dove
TOS - For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky
TOS - The Tholian Web
ENT - In A Mirror Darkly, Part 1 (Optional)
ENT - In A Mirror Darkly, Part 2 (Optional)
TOS - Plato’s Stepchildren
TOS - Wink Of An Eye
TOS - The Empath
TOS - Elaan Of Troyius
TOS - Whom Gods Detroy
TOS - Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
TOS - The Mark Of Gideon
TOS - That Which Survives
TOS - The Lights Of Zetar
TOS - Requiem For Methuselah
TOS - The Way To Eden
TOS - The Cloud Minders
TOS - The Savage Curtain
TOS - All Our Yesterdays
TOS - Turnabout Intruder
MOV - The Motion Picture
MOV - The Wrath Of Khan
MOV - The Search For Spock
MOV - The Voyage Home
MOV - The Final Frontier
MOV - The Undiscovered Country
TNG - Encounter At Farpoint
TNG - The Naked Now
TNG - Code Of Honor
TNG - The Last Outpost
TNG - Where No One Has Gone Before
TNG - Lonely Among Us
TNG - Justice
TNG - The Battle
TNG - Hide And Q
TNG - Haven
TNG - The Big Goodbye
TNG - Datalore
TNG - Angel One
TNG - 11001001
TNG - To Short A Season
TNG - When The Bough Breaks
TNG - Home Soil
TNG - Coming Of Age
TNG - Heart Of Glory
TNG - The Arsenal Of Freedom
TNG - Symbiosis
TNG - Skin Of Evil
TNG - We’ll Always Have Paris
TNG - Conspiracy
TNG - The Neutral Zone
TNG - The Child
TNG - Where Silence Has Lease
TNG - Elementary, Dear Data
TNG - The Outrageous Okona
TNG - Loud As A Whisper
TNG - The Schizoid Man
TNG - Unnatural Selection
TNG - A Matter Of Honor
TNG - The Measure Of A Man
TNG - The Dauphin
TNG - Contagion
TNG - The Royale
TNG - Time Squared
TNG - The Icarus Factor
TNG - Pen Pals
TNG - Q Who?
TNG - Samaritan Snare
TNG - Up The Long Ladder
TNG - Manhunt
TNG - The Emissary
TNG - Peak Performance
TNG - Shades Of Gray
TNG - Evolution
TNG - The Ensigns Of Command
TNG - The Survivors
TNG - Who Watches The Watchers?
TNG - The Bonding
TNG - Booby Trap
TNG - The Enemy
TNG - The Price
TNG - The Vengeance Factor
TNG - The Defector
TNG - The Hunted
TNG - The High Ground
TNG - Deja Q
TNG - A Matter Of Perspective
TNG - Yesterday’s Enterprise
TNG - The Offspring
TNG - Sins Of The Father
TNG - Allegiance
TNG - Captain’s Holiday
TNG - Tin Man
TNG - Hollow Pursuits
TNG - The Most Toys
TNG - Sarek
TNG - Menage A Troi
TNG - Transfigurations
TNG - The Best Of Both Worlds, Part 1
TNG - The Best Of Both Worlds, Part 2
TNG - Family
TNG - Brothers
TNG - Suddenly Human
TNG - Remember Me
TNG - Legacy
TNG - Reunion
TNG - Future Imperfect
TNG - Final Mission
TNG - The Loss
TNG - Data’s Day
TNG - The Wounded
TNG - Devil’s Due
TNG - Clues
TNG - First Contact
TNG - Galaxy’s Child
TNG - Night Terrors
TNG - Identity Crisis
TNG - The Nth Degree
TNG - Qpid
TNG - The Drumhead
TNG - Half A Life
TNG - The Host
TNG - The Mind’s Eye
TNG - In Theory
TNG - Redemption, Part 1
TNG - Redemption, Part 2
TNG - Darmok
TNG - Ensign Ro
TNG - Silicon Avatar
TNG - Disaster
TNG - The Game
TNG - Unification, Part 1
TNG - Unification, Part 2
TNG - A Matter Of Time
TNG - New Ground
TNG - Hero Worship
TNG - Violations
TNG - The Masterpiece Society
TNG - Conundrum
TNG - Power Play
TNG - Ethics
TNG - The Outcast
TNG - Cause And Effect
TNG - The First Duty
TNG - Cost Of Living
TNG - The Perfect Mate
TNG - Imaginary Friend
TNG - I, Borg
TNG - The Next Phase
TNG - The Inner Light
TNG - Time’s Arrow, Part 1
TNG - Time’s Arrow, Part 2
TNG - Realm Of Fear
TNG - Man Of The People
TNG - Relics
TNG - Schizms
TNG - True Q
TNG - Rascals
TNG - A Fistful Of Datas
TNG - The Quality Of Life
TNG - Chain Of Command, Part 1
TNG - Chain Of Command, Part 2
DS9 - Emissary
DS9 - A Man Alone
DS9 - Past Prologue
TNG - Ship In A Bottle
DS9 - Babel
TNG - Aquiel
DS9 - Captive Pursuit
TNG - Face Of The Enemy
DS9 - Q-Less
TNG - Tapestry
TNG - Birthright, Part 1
TNG - Birthright, Part 2
DS9 - Dax
TNG - Starship Mine
DS9 - The Passenger
TNG - Lessons
DS9 - Move Along Home
DS9 - The Nagus
DS9 - Vortex
DS9 - Battle Lines
DS9 - The Storyteller
TNG - The Chase
TNG - Frame Of Mind
TNG - Suspicions
TNG - Rightful Heir
DS9 - Progress
DS9 - If Wishes Were Horses
TNG - Second Chances
DS9 - Dramatis Personae
DS9 - The Forsaken
TNG - Timescape
DS9 - Duet
DS9 - In The Hands Of Prophets
TNG - Descent, Part 1
TNG - Descent, Part 2
DS9 - The Homecoming
DS9 - The Circle
DS9 - The Siege
TNG - Liaisons
TNG - Gambit, Part 1
TNG - Gambit, Part 2
DS9 - Cardassians
DS9 - Invasive Procedures
TNG - Interface
TNG - Phantasms
DS9 - Melora
TNG - Dark Page
DS9 - Rules Of Acquisition
DS9 - Necessary Evil
TNG - Attached
TNG - Force Of Nature
DS9 - Second Sight
TNG - Parallels
DS9 - Sanctuary
DS9 - The Alternate
TNG - Inheritance
TNG - Homeward
DS9 - Rivals
TNG - The Pegasus
DS9 - Armageddon Game
TNG - Sub Rosa
DS9 - Whispers
TNG - Lower Decks
DS9 - Paradise
DS9 - Shadowplay
TNG - Thine Own Self
DS9 - Playing God
TNG - Masks
TNG - Eye of The Beholder
DS9 - Profit And Loss
TNG - Genesis
TNG - Journey’s End
DS9 - Blood Oath
DS9 - The Maquis, Part 1
DS9 - The Maquis, Part 2
TNG - Firstborn
TNG - Bloodlines
DS9 - The Wire
TNG - Emergence
DS9 - Crossover
TNG - Preemptive Strike
DS9 - The Collaborator
DS9 - Tribunal
TNG - All Good Things...
DS9 - The Jem’Hadar
DS9 - The Search, Part 1
DS9 - The Search, Part 2
DS9 - The House Of Quark
DS9 - Equilibrium
DS9 - Second Skin
VOY - Caretaker
DS9 - The Abandoned
DS9 - Civil Defense
DS9 - Meridian
VOY - Parallax
DS9 - Defiant
VOY - Time And Again
DS9 - Fascination
DS9 - Past Tense, Part 1
DS9 - Past Tense, Part 2
DS9 - Life Support
DS9 - Heart Of Stone
VOY - Phage
DS9 - Destiny
VOY - The Cloud
VOY - Eye Of The Needle
DS9 - Prophet Motive
VOY - Ex Post Facto
DS9 - Visionary
MOV - Generations
VOY - Prime Factors
VOY - State Of Flux
DS9 - Distant Voices
DS9 - Through The Looking Glass
VOY - Heroes And Demons
DS9 - Improbable Cause
DS9 - The Die Is Cast
VOY - Cathexis
VOY - Faces
DS9 - Explorers
VOY - Jetrel
DS9 - Family Business
VOY - Learning Curve
DS9 - Shakaar
VOY - Projections
DS9 - Facets
VOY - Elogium
VOY - Twisted
DS9 - The Adversary
VOY - The 37’s
VOY - Initiations
VOY - Non Sequitur
DS9 - The Way Of The Warrior, Part 1
DS9 - The Way Of The Warrior, Part 2
VOY - Parturition
DS9 - Hippocratic Oath
DS9 - The Visitor
VOY - Persistence Of Vision
DS9 - Indiscretion
VOY - Tattoo
DS9 - Rejoined
VOY - Cold Fire
DS9 - Little Green Men
VOY - Maneuvers
DS9 - Starship Down
VOY - Resistance
DS9 - The Sword Of Kahless
DS9 - Our Man Bashir
VOY - Prototype
DS9 - Homefront
DS9 - Paradise Lost
VOY - Death Wish
VOY - Alliances
DS9 - Crossfire
VOY - Threshold
DS9 - Return To Grace
VOY - Meld
DS9 - Bar Association
VOY - Dreadnought
DS9 - Accession
VOY - Lifesigns
VOY - Investigations
VOY - Deadlock
DS9 - Sons Of Mogh
VOY - Innocence
DS9 - Rules Of Engagement
VOY - The Thaw
DS9 - Hard Time
VOY - Tuvix
DS9 - Shattered Mirror
DS9 - The Muse
VOY - Resolutions
DS9 - For The Cause
DS9 - The Quickening
DS9 - To The Death
DS9 - Body Parts
DS9 - Broken Link
VOY - Basics, Part 1
VOY - Basics, Part 2
DS9 - Apocalypse Rising
DS9 - The Ship
DS9 - Looking For Par’Mach In All The Wrong Places
VOY - Sacred Ground
VOY - False Profits
DS9 - The Assignment
VOY - Flashback
DS9 - Nor The Battle To The Strong
VOY - The Chute
DS9 - Trials And Tribble-ations
VOY - Remember
VOY - The Swarm
DS9 - Let He Who Is Without Sin...
VOY - Future’s End, Part 1
VOY - Future’s End, Part 2
DS9 - Things Past
VOY - Warlord
DS9 - The Ascent
VOY - The Q And The Grey
DS9 - Rapture
DS9 - The Darkness And The Light
VOY - Macrocosm
DS9 - The Begotten
VOY - Fair Trade
VOY - Alter Ego
DS9 - For The Uniform
VOY - Coda
VOY - Blood Fever
DS9 - In Purgatory’s Shadow
DS9 - By Inferno’s Light
DS9 - Dr. Bashir, I Presume
VOY - Unity
VOY - Darkling
DS9 - A Simple Investigation
VOY - Rise
DS9 - Business As Usual
DS9 - Ties Of Blood And Water
VOY - Favorite Son
VOY - Before And After
DS9 - Ferengi Love Songs
VOY - Real Life
DS9 - Soldiers Of The Empire
VOY - Distant Origin
DS9 - Children Of Time
DS9 - Blaze Of Glory
MOV - First Contact
DS9 - Empok Nor
VOY - Displaced
DS9 - In The Cards
VOY - Worst Case Scenario
DS9 - Call To Arms
VOY - Scorpion, Part 1
VOY - Scorpion, Part 2
VOY - The Gift
DS9 - A Time To Stand
DS9 - Rocks And Shoals
VOY - Day Of Honor
DS9 - Sons And Daughters
VOY - Nemesis
DS9 - Behind The Lines
VOY - Revulsion
DS9 - Favor The Bold
DS9 - Sacrifice Of Angels
VOY - The Raven
VOY - Scientific Method
DS9 - You Are Cordially Invited
VOY - Year Of Hell, Part 1
VOY - Year Of Hell, Part 2
VOY - Random Thoughts
DS9 - Resurrection
VOY - Concerning Flight
DS9 - Statistical Probabilities
DS9 - The Magnificent Ferengi
DS9 - Waltz
VOY - Mortal Coil
DS9 - Who Mourns For Morn?
VOY - Waking Moments
DS9 - Far Beyond The Stars
DS9 - One Little Ship
DS9 - Honor Among Thieves
VOY - Message In A Bottle
VOY - Hunters
DS9 - Change Of Heart
VOY - Prey
DS9 - Wrongs Darker Than Death Or Night
VOY - Retrospect
DS9 - Inquisition
VOY - The Killing Game, Part 1
VOY - The Killing Game, Part 2
DS9 - In The Pale Moonlight
VOY - Vis A Vis
DS9 - His Way
VOY - The Omega Directive
DS9 - The Reckoning
VOY - Unforgettable
DS9 - Valiant
VOY - Living Witness
DS9 - Profit And Lace
VOY - Demon
DS9 - Time’s Orphan
VOY - One
DS9 - The Sound Of Her Voice
DS9 - Tears Of The Prophets
VOY - Hope And Fear
VOY - Night
DS9 - Image In The Sand
DS9 - Shadows And Symbols
DS9 - Afterimage
DS9 - Take Me Out To The Holosuite
VOY - Drone
VOY - Extreme Risk
DS9 - Chrysalis
VOY - In The Flesh
DS9 - Treachery, Faith, And The Great River
DS9 - Once More Unto The Breach
DS9 - The Siege Of AR-558
VOY - Once Upon A Time
MOV - Insurrection
DS9 - Covenant
DS9 - It’s Only A Paper Moon
DS9 - Prodigal Daughter
VOY - Timeless
VOY - Thirty Days
DS9 - The Emperor’s New Cloak
DS9 - Field Of Fire
DS9 - Chimera
DS9 - Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang
VOY - Infinite Regress
DS9 - Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges
VOY - Nothing Human
DS9 - Penumbra
VOY - Counterpoint
DS9 - Til Death Do Us Part
VOY - Latent Image
DS9 - Strange Bedfellows
VOY - Bride Of Chaotica!
DS9 - The Changing Face Of Evil
VOY - Gravity
DS9 - When It Rains...
VOY - Bliss
DS9 - Tacking Into The Wind
VOY - Dark Frontier
DS9 - Extreme Measures
VOY - The Disease
DS9 - The Dogs Of War
VOY - Course: Oblivion
DS9 - What You Leave Behind
VOY - The Fight
VOY - Think Tank
VOY - Juggernaut
VOY - Someone To Watch Over Me
VOY - 11:59
VOY - Relativity
VOY - Equinox, Part 1
VOY - Equinox, Part 2
VOY - Survival Instinct
VOY - Barge Of The Dead
VOY - Tinker, Tenor, Doctor, Spy
VOY - Alice
VOY - Dragon’s Teeth
VOY - Riddles
VOY - One Small Step
VOY - The Voyager Conspiracy
VOY - Pathfinder
VOY - Fair Haven
VOY - Blink Of An Eye
VOY - Vituoso
VOY - Memorial
VOY - Tsunkatse
VOY - Collective
VOY - Spirit Folk
VOY - Ashes To Ashes
VOY - Child’s Play
VOY - Good Shepherd
VOY - Live Fast And Prosper
VOY - Muse
VOY - Fury
VOY - Life Line
VOY - The Haunting Of Deck Twelve
VOY - Unimatrix Zero, Part 1
VOY - Unimatrix Zero, Part 2
VOY - Drive
VOY - Repression
VOY - Imperfection
VOY - Critical Care
VOY - Inside Man
VOY - Body And Soul
VOY - Nightingale
VOY - Flesh And Blood, Part 1
VOY - Flesh And Blood, Part 2
VOY - Shattered
VOY - Lineage
VOY - Repentance
VOY - Prophecy
VOY - The Void
VOY - Workforce, Part 1
VOY - Workforce, Part 2
VOY - Human Error
VOY - Q2
VOY - Author, Author
VOY - Friendship One
VOY - Natural Law
VOY - Homestead
VOY - Renaissance Man
VOY - Endgame
MOV - Nemesis
COM - Star Trek: Countdown issue #1 (Optional) (Non Canon)
COM - Star Trek: Countdown issue #2 (Optional) (Non Canon)
COM - Star Trek: Countdown issue #3 (Optional) (Non Canon)
COM - Star Trek: Countdown issue #4 (Optional) (Non Canon)
MOV - Star Trek (2009) (An Explained Alternate Time Line)



Bonus Material - The Highly Debated & Questionable Trek Show:

Enterprise - An Alternate Time Line Series Viewing Order (Optional)

MOV - First Contact (Optional)
ENT - Broken Bow
ENT - Fight Or Flight
ENT - Strange New World
ENT - Unexpected
ENT - Terra Nova
ENT - The Andorian Incident
ENT - Breaking The Ice
ENT - Civilization
ENT - Fortunate Son
ENT - Cold Front
ENT - Silent Enemy
ENT - Dear Doctor
ENT - Sleeping Dogs
ENT - Shadows Of P’jem
ENT - Shuttlepod One
ENT - Fusion
ENT - Rogue Planet
ENT - Acquisition
ENT - Oasis
ENT - Detained
ENT - Vox Sola
ENT - Fallen Hero
ENT - Desert Crossing
ENT - Two Days And Two Nights
ENT - Shockwave, Part 1
ENT - Shockwave, Part 2
ENT - Carbon Creek
ENT - Minefield
ENT - Dead Stop
ENT - A Night In Sickbay
ENT - Marauders
ENT - The Seventh
ENT - The Communicator
ENT - Singularity
ENT - Vanishing Point
ENT - Precious Cargo
ENT - The Catwalk
ENT - Dawn
ENT - Stigma
ENT - Cease Fire
ENT - Future Tense
ENT - Canamar
ENT - The Crossing
ENT - Judgment
ENT - Horizon
ENT - The Breach
ENT - Cogenitor
ENT - Regeneration
ENT - First Flight
ENT - Bounty
ENT - The Expanse
ENT - The Xindi
ENT - Anomaly
ENT - Extinction
ENT - Rajiin
ENT - Impulse
ENT - Exile
ENT - The Shipment
ENT - Twilight
ENT - North Star
ENT - Similitude
ENT - Carpenter Street
ENT - Chosen Realm
ENT - Proving Ground
ENT - Stratagem
ENT - Harbinger
ENT - Doctor’s Orders
ENT - Hatchery
ENT - Azati Prime
ENT - Damage
ENT - The Forgotten
ENT - E^2
ENT - The Council
ENT - Countdown
ENT - Zero Hour
ENT - Storm Front, Part 1
ENT - Storm Front, Part 2
ENT - Home
ENT - Borderland
ENT - Cold Station 12
ENT - The Augments
ENT - The Forge
ENT - Awakening
ENT - Kir’shara
ENT - Daedalus
ENT - Observer Effect
ENT - Babel One
ENT - United
ENT - The Aenar
ENT - Affliction
ENT - Divergence
ENT - Bound
TOS - The Tholian Web (Optional)
ENT - In A Mirror Darkly, Part 1
ENT - In A Mirror Darkly, Part 2
ENT - Demons
ENT - Terra Prime
TNG - The Pegasus (Optional)
ENT - These Are The Voyages...

Bonus Material - Not Considered Canon:

Animated Series - De-Canonized Cartoon Viewing Order (Optional)

TAS - The Magicks of Megas-Tu
TAS - The Practical Joker
TAS - The Slaver Weapon
TAS - Mudd's Passion
TAS - The Survivor
TAS - Beyond the Farthest Star
TAS - The Time Trap
TAS - Albatross
TAS - One of Our Planets Is Missing
TAS - Yesteryear
TAS - More Tribbles, More Troubles
TAS - The Lorelei Signal
TAS - The Ambergris Element
TAS - The Eye of the Beholder
TAS - The Infinite Vulcan
TAS - The Terratin Incident
TAS - Once Upon a Planet
TAS - The Jihad
TAS - How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth
TAS - The Pirates of Orion
TAS - The Counter-Clock Incident
TAS - Bem



Important Note:

Enterprise can be placed before TOS and the episode titled "These Are Voyages..." can be placed after the TNG episode titled "Pegasus". However, it is recommended that you watch Enterprise as a separate alternate time line after you watch the core time line (if at all). Also, the Animated Series (listed by stardate) can be placed after TOS. But it is suggested that you watch it last (or not at all) because it is a 1970s cartoon that is not considered canon.

Important Note 2:

Oh, and just in case you are wondering. I tried creating spoiler buttons by using the spoiler brackets for these lists but for some reason the buttons didn't end up working.

Important Note 3:

Also, if you didn't catch it, I would like to point out that my Core Star Trek Time Line Viewing Order works nicely as an infinity loop, too. It starts off with the "Cage" and then moves all the way up to the 24th Century and then back to the era of Kirk and Spock again with the new Star Trek (2009) film.

Important Note 4:

Furthermore, I would like to thank Fist for making this new version of my reading order(s) possible. Thank you again, Fist.
 
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Well, you have to understand the concept of what makes up a group or a classification first. I mean, if there was no distinction between groups then we would have no distinction between canon or non canon, black or white, sweet or salty, male or female, and dogs or cats. Everything would run or blend together and we wouldn't be able to discern one thing from something else if things didn't have their own group or classification.
Agreed. And the group and classification considered for a "Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order" is Star Trek series. I mean, it's right there in the title! It's not "Chronological Viewing Order For The Star Trek Series Existing In Luther Sloan's Core Star Trek Time Line", right? This is about Star Trek series. Star Trek: Enterprise is a Star Trek series. So why treat it differently in a "Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order"?

From where I am standing, Enterprise doesn't exist within the Core Star Trek Time Line.
Unfortunately for you, you are not the one who gets to decide whether Enterprise exists within the Star Trek timeline. You have no authority on that. Enterprise is a prequel series to all the other Trek series. Like the series or don't like the series — it still depicts the 22nd century of the Star Trek universe.

Well, I guess D.C. Fontana, The Animated Series' associate producer and story editor, would disagree with that assessment. As would the various professional science-fiction and Star Trek writers involved in its production.
Well, they are within their rights to disagree. However, they have no real official power or authority to say that it is canon, though. At the end of the first season of Star Trek: The Next Generation, all licenses for Star Trek spin-off fiction were renegotiated and the animated series was essentially "decanonized" by Gene Roddenberry's office.
And? Where am I debating the canon status of The Animated Series? I was just trying to point out that its producers certainly didn't think of it as a program designed only for children. D.C. Fontana and others very much thought of it as a true continuation of The Original Series produced for adults.

There are plenty of arguments that support the canon on Enterprise and there are plenty of debates that side against it.
You see, that's faulty logic there, because the canon status of Enterprise was never up to any debate. All live-action Star Trek series are part of the official canon by definition. You can debate all you want about it; it's still part of the canon.

Just understand that I may not reply back if decide you want to argue over the issue with me, though.
Oh, I certainly don't want to argue, believe me. I would, however, like to discuss (you know, the whole point of a discussion board) how the episodes you mentioned are telling us something about the accuracy of Enterprise's depiction of the 22nd century.
 
Agreed. And the group and classification considered for a "Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order" is Star Trek series. I mean, it's right there in the title! It's not "Chronological Viewing Order For The Star Trek Series Existing In Luther Sloan's Core Star Trek Time Line", right? This is about Star Trek series. Star Trek: Enterprise is a Star Trek series. So why treat it differently in a "Star Trek Chronological Viewing Order"?

NCC-1701:

Again, you are viewing things from a black and white perspective. Everything in life does not operate that way. You keep pointing to generic labels of words (as a definitive no exceptions guide) rather than digging deeper behind the meaning of what a series really is. Sure Enterprise is a Star Trek series. Sure it is in the 22nd Century and can be placed at the beginning of the time line. In fact, I didn't deny that you could place Enterprise in this manner (if so desired). However, as I explained before, there are exceptions to certain rules.

I mean, just because Star Trek Enterprise has the name Star Trek in it and is considered canon doesn't mean anything. What if Paramount allowed the creators of South Park to create a cartoon version of the continuing missions of Enterprise called "Star Trek: These Are The Voyages". What if this show was a sick dirty comedy (that was insulting to Star Trek) and it was considered canon (for some dumb reason). In addition, what if the head office also officially declared the movies Trekkies 1 and 2 as canon, as well. Would you place this series and these films within the Core Star Trek Time Line still?

Besides, I never said this was an official list. In fact, my list doesn't have to be exactly to your your specific interpretation of the facts, anyways. I am merely giving folks an alternative who share the same viewpoint on Star Trek as me. If you don't like it or share that viewpoint, that is your opinion.

Unfortunately for you, you are not the one who gets to decide whether Enterprise exists within the Star Trek timeline. You have no authority on that. Enterprise is a prequel series to all the other Trek series. Like the series or don't like the series — it still depicts the 22nd century of the Star Trek universe.

Also, I never outright denied Enterprise as being canon, either. What I meant is that Enterprise blatantly broke canon in the previous Trek series. In other words, what I am getting at is that two truths cannot be right unless their is a plausible or realistic enough explanation. But the problem is that the creators never bothered to explain it to us, though. So we are left with the option to fill in the blanks for ourselves. Is Enterprise a seriously flawed series or is it some type of unexplained alternate time line of some kind?

In fact, there has never been any evidence suggesting either way that this series is either a part of the Original Star Trek Time Line or that is some kind of First Contact Time Line. We only know that Enterprise is considered canon. Now, a person's interpretation of how that canon comes into play is up to viewer. Especially when their is no proof leaning in one direction or the other. This question raises the validity of the very foundation of what Star Trek: Enterprise is. Thus putting it into a special classification or group all it's own (Whether you agree with that assessment or not).


And? Where am I debating the canon status of The Animated Series? I was just trying to point out that its producers certainly didn't think of it as a program designed only for children. D.C. Fontana and others very much thought of it as a true continuation of The Original Series produced for adults.

Well, that's the heart of the issue isn't it? What makes a series officially considered canon or not canon?

You see, that's faulty logic there, because the canon status of Enterprise was never up to any debate. All live-action Star Trek series are part of the official canon by definition. You can debate all you want about it; it's still part of the canon.

Again, I never denied Enterprise as canon. I merely suggested that the show has blatant canonical errors that need to be explained or addressed in some way.

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Oh, I certainly don't want to argue, believe me. I would, however, like to discuss (you know, the whole point of a discussion board) how the episodes you mentioned are telling us something about the accuracy of Enterprise's depiction of the 22nd century.

You want to start a debate that will not go anywhere because we both already have our opinions (or sides) on the topic. Like I said, I am happy to send you my reasons via PM if you ask. But I won't debate the points needlessly, though.

Like I said. Send me a PM. And I will be glad to give you the info.


Side Note:

Oh, and also, I am not interested in continuing to debate about Enterprise's classification within my viewing order any further either. It seems you have your opinion on the matter set in stone. As do I. So let's leave it be.
 
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Oh, and another thing ...

Things within the 22nd Century were clearly described to us in the episodes TOS's "The Cage", TOS's "Balance of Terror", TOS's "Turnabout Intruder", TNG's "Matter of Time, TNG's "First Contact" (The episode), TNG's "Relics", and DS9's "Trials and Tribble-ations".
I'm really curious; what exactly do these episodes tell us about the 22nd century of the Trek universe, respectively?

Less than people think they do. But people's perception of how things should be had been built up over the decades, so when we're shown something that doesn't fit that view, we jump to declare the new interpretation faulty, rather than changing our own interpretation.

But as I understand it, the snippets of info we have on 22nd century life are as follows:

- The Cage. They use lasers instead of phasers. Thus we extrapolate that lasers are more primitive than phasers, thus also extrapolate that phase pistols must be less primitive than laser pistols, due to the similar sounding name. However the is nothing to state that phase pistols are more advanced than laser pistols, since we have abolutely no idea how they work (other than the fact that they don't vapourise people).

- Balance of Terror. Three things here: 1. the Earth/Romulan war was fought with primitive atomic weapons. 2. visual communications with each other weren't possible. 3. cloaking technology is only theoretically possible until now. People extrapolate 1 to mean that no particle weapons existed and that Enterprise's phase cannons and photonic torpedoes shouldn't exist, whereas it's quite possible that they did exist, and that "primitive atomic weapons" is an incredibly vague statement. Primitive by 23rd century standards could mean anything. Atomic could mean anything. We don't even really know how photonic torpedoes work, aside from the supposed antimatter part, and as far as we know, only the NX vessels carry them. Some people extrapolate 2 to mean that no viewscreen technology existed, rather than communications simply being blocked (presumably by Romulan hands). And people extrapolate from 3 that Romulans shouldn't have any type of cloaking ability, rather than the possibility that 'cloaking' is also a very vague term, and that invisibility and detection is a constant arms race. Enterprise already shows us that Romulan ships can disguise themselves with holographic technology, technology which is easy to imagine being obsolete a hundred years later, thus requiring light-bending to achieve similar effects, much to Mr. Spock's surprise.

- Turnabout Intruder. Janice Lester said women can't be captains, therefore there being a woman captain in Enterprise is "wrong". I can't even begin to describe how silly this one is! I'll try two explanations, though: 1. Janice Lester was insane, and therefore the things she said are wrong. 2. Janice Lester was correct, and for some ridiculous reason, women weren't allowed to be captains at that particular point in history. This still has no bearing on policies of a different institution a century earlier. Progress isn't always forwards. 3. Janice Lester's words are being misunderstood. "Your world of starship captains doesn't permit women" doesn't mean they aren't allowed to be captains, it means a captain's work doesn't permit the time for relationships.

- First Contact. First contact with the Klingons led to decades of war. Well, it did. People extrapolate this to mean that it occured much like it did in the episode, with the Federation approaching a pre-warp Klingon empire. Even at the time, this would have been an unlikely extrapolation. Even so, the mental image of this means that Enterprise's depiction must be wrong as far as some people are concerned.

- Relics. The computer states there have been five ships called Enterprise, before Scotty gives the registration. People extrapolate that no other ships called Enterprise could possibly exist, despite the fact that the computer could just be narrowing down the list to Federation ships. In fact, it must be, otherwise it would have picked out navy ships, nuclear boats, NASA shuttles and Vulcan ring-ships as possible holodeck environments.

- Trials and Tribblations. Similar to the above, the number of ships stated to be called Enterprise does not include the NX-01; but, again, it doesn't include the ring ship either (as shown in Star Trek The Motion Picture). More to the point, we don't have a context for the dialogue. It is preceded by actually showing the ship in the flashback. We don't know what Sisko said to the temporal investigation agents while the viewer was watching this telling of history on screen. He could have said "and then we saw the Federation starship Enterprise", to which the response, "which one, there have been five (six)" is accurate, since NX-01 wasn't a Federation ship. I imagine some people also have (or had) a problem with the Klingons in this episode, but Enterprise did a pretty thorough retcon episode that sorts it out, so there's nothing more to be said about it. Oh, is it weird that Bashir knows nothing about Klingon appearances in Kirk's time, given it should pretty common knowledge? Yeah, but it's weird anyway, with or without Enterprise. At least there's the possibility of it being covered up by Earth intelligence at the time (being related to the augments, and all).

There are other snippets of dialogue here and there throughout the hundreds of episodes that don't easily jive with Enterprise, but that's all they are - snippets. They don't paint a full picture. They barely paint a postage stamp. We've simply filled in the blanks with our imaginations, and some people refuse to undo those imaginings, finding it easier to ignore the new interpretation as valid.


Which, you know, is fine, if you want to do that. However, Enterprise being a an altered timeline only really works for its first season or so. After that, they started tying them together. Regeneration follows on from First Contact, but it also leads to the events of Q Who, so if the timeline was in fact altered, Q Who wouldn't happen - or if it would happen anyway but due to different reasons, it would be a ridiculous coincidence or require some sort of fate/destiny explanation, and I'll leave that one for the Abramsverse. ;)
 
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Start Wreck:

Well, for one. Your missing a few facts and points. But that's okay. I don't want to get into a debate over this (because like I said, I have gotten into this debate a ton of times before with no actual resolution). People are going to believe what they want to believe. Folks are going to have their own interpretations on this issue based on how much they like Enterprise and how they translate canon from the previous Trek series. One interpretation is neither wrong nor right. It is up to the individual.

Just because I personally feel that Enterprise is an altered time line, doesn't mean I am wrong and or right. But that doesn't mean I don't have the appropriate information to back it up my side of the argument either. In fact, from where I am standing, things on Enterprise don't make any sense in comparison to the other series. Not just on a canon level but a story level, as well. I just personally believe it doesn't fit within the core Star Trek Universe. Nothing is explained properly or respected. Things are spoiled ahead of time if you were to watch it chronologically.

On the other hand, Enterprise is considered canon, so folks are obviously going to rush to twist the original meaning of what the previous trek show episodes truly meant. Well, that is up to them. Sure some of them were vague statements and could have been twisted to fit the facts within Enterprise in certain cases. However, for me, some of these excuses sound like a desperate attempt to cover up the facts like someone trying to cover up the facts for a man who is truly guilty of something. Why? Well, Enterprise's canonical errors are just that. They were blatant disregards and or mistakes that rattles the very foundation (The 22nd Century) of what this show is trying to be (Which is a prequel series).

I mean, Enterprise appears more like it is a show set in the 24th Century than it does in the 22nd Century. Oh, and yes. I believe that JJ Abram's did a great job at updating the look of things within the 23rd Century without making us question what Century we were in, too.

Now, this is all my opinion. And that it is all it is. I don't mean any disrespect by it or mean to get in a debate over it. I am simply telling you my view of Enterprise from my side of the fence.

In other words, what I am trying to say is that we should just agree to disagree, my friends (and leave it at that).
 
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Just because I personally feel that Enterprise is an altered time line, doesn't mean I am wrong and or right.
Well there is evidence that you are wrong:

1. These Are The Voyages. The events of Enterprise are depicted as historical fact from the point-of-view of Riker and Troi in the 24th century. If Enterprise is an altered timeline, then this 24th century must also be altered. But this appears to be the 24th century as we knew it from The Next Generation (a few wrinkles aside).

2. Regeneration tells us a homing signal was sent into Borg space, leading them to Earth in 200 years' time. 200 years later, the Borg do arrive. If these events occurred in different timelines, then it would have to be an enormously unlikely coincidence - ie. the Borg happened to approach Earth at the same time as they would have if a homing signal was sent, even though one wasn't (because the drones were never lost on Earth in the first place).


Sorry, I know you didn't want to debate it, but I was just curious as to how you reconciled these events, and they seem pertinent to the question of chronology (ie. the topic).


(Also, I'm by no means defending These Are The Voyages - it is an awful episode!)

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On the subject of Insurrection, the last time I watched it, I slotted it in somewhere during DS9 season 6, although I can't recall exactly where. I thought it should occur prior to Jadzia's death, as I didn't think it likely he'd be off adventuring with his old pals after the event, but I may revise this on future runs.
 
Well there is evidence that you are wrong:

Start Wreck:

Well, there is still nothing wrong with my side of the argument (Check below). However, just so that there is no confusion, I believe "Star Trek: Enterprise" to be an unexplained alternate time line. In other words, this means I still believe Enterprise to be considered canon as it is officially stated.

1. These Are The Voyages. The events of Enterprise are depicted as historical fact from the point-of-view of Riker and Troi in the 24th century. If Enterprise is an altered timeline, then this 24th century must also be altered. But this appears to be the 24th century as we knew it from The Next Generation (a few wrinkles aside).

In TATV: We are looking at the events of the 24th Century from the alternate time line. Also, I stated in my previous post that the Future Federation Temporal Agency (that corrects temporal incursions) left the event of First Contact in place to preserve Picard's future but this Temporal Agency either later changed the 22nd Century entirely (So that the Enterprise time line we seen was eventually erased) or they corrected the advancements in technology within the 22nd Century at some time in the late half of the 22nd Century (Thus restoring the time line by the time we reach the 23rd Century). Which would in effect preserve the events we see in the 24th Century.

You can read my full post on this concept in more detail and my explanations on First Contact's influence here...

http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3917686&postcount=22

2. Regeneration tells us a homing signal was sent into Borg space, leading them to Earth in 200 years' time. 200 years later, the Borg do arrive. If these events occurred in different timelines, then it would have to be an enormously unlikely coincidence - ie. the Borg happened to approach Earth at the same time as they would have if a homing signal was sent, even though one wasn't (because the drones were never lost on Earth in the first place).

Again we are viewing things from the perspective of an alternate time line that is very similar to the Original Time Line. But let me put it to you another way. The Original Time Line worked perfectly fine without the explanation given to us in "Regeneration". Oh, and just because there are similarities within this alternate time line doesn't mean anything either. There are even parallel universes with an infinite number of possibilities according to Star Trek, too (as shown in TNG's Parallels). So to assume that an alternate time line cannot be similar to the original is sort of odd. Sure, Enterprise can point or refer to itself in many ways thru (what appears to be) the Original Star Trek Time Line. But that doesn't mean it is not plausible that these similarities (of the Original Time Line) cannot happen within an alternate time line.

Sure, it looks as though these two episodes is some kind of attempt at validating (or inserting) itself within the Original Time Line. But there is no evidence to suggest that these episodes were not being played out in a similar alternate time line, either. In other words, things were not clearly defined on what Enterprise really was. Especially with all of it's canonical errors and it's uncanny similarity to the 24th Century.

Sorry, I know you didn't want to debate it, but I was just curious as to how you reconciled these events, and they seem pertinent to the question of chronology (ie. the topic).

Hey, it's cool, man. I understand. Anyways, thank you for being considerate by saying this, though. That means a lot to me. There are not many other folks who are as kind.

Again, thank you.

(Also, I'm by no means defending These Are The Voyages - it is an awful episode!)

Yeah, TATV is definitely the worst episode in Trek history, thats for sure, my friend.

On the subject of Insurrection, the last time I watched it, I slotted it in somewhere during DS9 season 6, although I can't recall exactly where. I thought it should occur prior to Jadzia's death, as I didn't think it likely he'd be off adventuring with his old pals after the event, but I may revise this on future runs.

I originally placed Insurrection right after "Take Me Out to the Holosuit" in my first chronological viewing order. However, Fist's list placed it like this...

DS9 - The Siege Of AR-558
VOY - Once Upon A Time
MOV - Insurrection
DS9 - Covenant

Of which I didn't have a problem with. So I included this new placement within my new list. Of which you can check out here...

http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=3918315&postcount=28

Oh, and speaking of Insurrection, if you want to see a funny review on it that is enlightening. Check out the following review at these YouTube links...

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlV3bsafkq0

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yr4RHI01t38

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVeXdhADrmI

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmUzoIENIXc

Side Note:

Oh, and to make you feel better after watching the review. Just blame everyone's crazy behavior in Insurrection on the fact that everyone's cells were being slightly regenerated to be healthier and or younger.

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I think it's worth pointing out that I am currently engaged in a chronological viewing of all Trek. I started with Enterprise because it does come first. Altered, unaltered, it came first. Watching this line up with TOS was weird, but fine. It was never intended to be an altered timeline, ala STXI.

I think it's also worth pointing out that TOS didn't exactly focus on continunity back in the day and really shouldn't be a huge concern. A lot of stuff from TOS needs to be taken with a grain of salt -- esspecially early on. What matters are the stories and the characters. Little things, like the stuff brought up in "Balance of Terror," is okay to be written off.

I recommend watching Enterprise first and then moving on to TOS, TAS, TNG, etc. However, only if you're an actual Trekkie. New to Trek, I'd recommend TOS because it's the easiest to get into.
 
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