Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[Nyotarules]

They should have gone for an alternative universe from the beginning then they would not need to explain anything. The scene between Pirme and Kirk could be like this

Prime - 'George Kirk is that you?
Kirk - No my name is Jim. Jim Kirk
Prime - Jim! Why you're taller, your eyes have changed colour.

 

[KGator]

Once.


Twice.




Third and last caution: let's keep the current politics out of this forum. A lot of people are on edge right now, and the last thing I want is a political brawl breaking out over the election in a forum for discussing Star Trek.

(Yes, there really have been problems with that in previous election years—yes, even when it's meant just as a joke—hence this policy. Discuss Star Trek here, and save any mention of current politics for forums appropriate to the subject.)

Not only isn't this political commentary, it would be difficult to even describe it as political satire.

The suggestion to go over to a political forum and bring up the flippant topic like "Don't you think the executives at Paramount Studios should invest more time and effort in returning the Star Trek movies series to a higher popularity?" is probably a giant waste of time. Rebrandishing a current catchphrase used by a politician does not define the new discussion as political speech. But if this is really such a volatile topic then perhaps just set the system to automatically ban the words "America" and "great" from being used in any post for the next 30 days. I'm sure by then things will have blown over.

 

[M'Sharak]

Not only isn't this political commentary, it would be difficult to even describe it as political satire.

The suggestion to go over to a political forum and bring up the flippant topic like "Don't you think the executives at Paramount Studios should invest more time and effort in returning the Star Trek movies series to a higher popularity?" is probably a giant waste of time. Rebrandishing a current catchphrase used by a politician does not define the new discussion as political speech. But if this is really such a volatile topic then perhaps just set the system to automatically ban the words "America" and "great" from being used in any post for the next 30 days. I'm sure by then things will have blown over.

Even if I thought that likely to be a solution, I don't have the option to "set the system" to automatically ban any words. Therefore, I must ask people to voluntarily leave those topics (or allusions thereto) at the door when participating in discussions here.

I realize that you may not consider it political commentary or political satire—to you, it's just a joke, and it would be recognized as such by most people—but that quick aside, that throwaway gag, can also act like a landmine. Days, weeks, sometimes months after the fact, someone disinclined to see the humor comes along and finds it, and next you know I've got a nasty political poo-fight going on in a Star Trek forum.

If I hadn't seen this happen too many times, had to deal with the fallout, issue warnings/bans, and clean up the mess afterward, I wouldn't be asking now. So please... unless it has some direct and essential bearing on the Trek movie or story under discussion, better to leave it out, no matter how benign it may seem to you.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

BTW Jayla best waifu

 

[WebLurker]

Which was abandoned by Simon Pegg and Doug Jung (by their own admission).

"With the Kelvin timeline, we are not entirely beholden to existing canon, this is an alternate reality and, as such is full of new and alternate possibilities. “BUT WAIT!” I hear you brilliant and beautiful super Trekkies cry, “Canon tells us, Hikaru Sulu was born before the Kelvin incident, so how could his fundamental humanity be altered? Well, the explanation comes down to something very Star Treky; theoretical, quantum physics and the less than simple fact that time is not linear. Sure, we experience time as a contiguous series of cascading events but perception and reality aren’t always the same thing. Spock’s incursion from the Prime Universe created a multidimensional reality shift. The rift in space/time created an entirely new reality in all directions, top to bottom, from the Big Bang to the end of everything. As such this reality was, is and always will be subtly different from the Prime Universe. I don’t believe for one second that Gene Roddenberry wouldn’t have loved the idea of an alternate reality (Mirror, Mirror anyone?). This means, and this is absolutely key, the Kelvin universe can evolve and change in ways that don’t necessarily have to follow the Prime Universe at any point in history, before or after the events of Star Trek ‘09, it can mutate and subvert, it is a playground for the new and the progressive and I know in my heart, that Gene Roddenberry would be proud of us for keeping his ideals alive."

-- Simon Pegg

Frankly, it doesn't mesh with the Star Trek canon, the backstory of the Kelvin timeline, nor is Pegg's opinion canonical, so I don't really see any reason to believe it and every reason to disregard it. It's also built on a faulty premise; Sulu was born after the Narada incursion. No further explanation is needed in regards to "why is he different?".

 

[ancient]

BTW Jayla best waifu

Speaks better English than the female crewman from the USS FRANKLIN too.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Speaks better English than the female crewman from the USS FRANKLIN too.

Oh the one with the funny ridges on her head?

I liked Jaylah that ship was her "house" and it flew

Kirk stole her chair

 

[ralph]

I believe this fourth movie will be the last of the kelvin timeline. Why can not we see a Federation vs. Klingon conflict? Not a large-scale war, but fighting over territory, resources or a strategic planet. A smart villain with a real purpose: the supremacy of his people. He believes in the honor that comes from battle and Kirk would be the federation captain to be beaten at this moment.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Ooh did anyone notice the end credits?

There was amongst the montage of planets a machine planet.

 

[Khan 2.0]

Ooh did anyone notice the end credits?

There was amongst the montage of planets a machine planet.

Vger homeworld?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Vger homeworld?

Could be........ Maybe in this universe we get a visit to that before they meet the Voyager probe

 

[Khan 2.0]

or maybe its a borg assimilated world? or both? actually just the other day was made aware of this line spock said in TMP
'Any show of resistance would be futile Captain..'

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

or maybe its a borg assimilated world? or both? actually just the other day was made aware of this line spock said in TMP
'Any show of resistance would be futile Captain..'

Dun, dun, dun...............

 

[WebLurker]

or maybe its a borg assimilated world? or both? actually just the other day was made aware of this line spock said in TMP
'Any show of resistance would be futile Captain..'

I doubt it would be a Borg world; the Borg either assimilate all the people and tech leave the rest ("The Neutral Zone," "Q Who," The Best of Both Worlds, Part I" [TNG]) or alter the atmosphere and colonize it (First Contact). In neither case does the planet look like a metal world.

(Love the irony of Spock's line, given the fan theories connect V'Ger and the Borg.)

 

[Kemaiku]

Could be........ Maybe in this universe we get a visit to that before they meet the Voyager probe

There's a tie in comic for the 2009 film where the Narada computer attracts V'ger instead and in reading it, learns of it's ascension in the other universe, resolving to go off and do that some other, less dangerous way.

 

[fireproof78]

Speaks better English than the female crewman from the USS FRANKLIN too.

If you don't use it, you lose it.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Jaylah's house can fly

 

[Nyotarules]

You'll believe a house can fly....

 

[F. King Daniel]

"My house is breaking!!!"

 

[WebLurker]

You'll believe a house can fly....

One of the crows from Dumbo saw that.