That seems irrefutable, unless they were ALL drunk, as someone would surely have corrected him if it weren't true.
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That seems irrefutable, unless they were ALL drunk, as someone would surely have corrected him if it weren't true.
Given how crazy Starfleet Admirals are, can we really accept Morrow's word for it?
I've always considered the Enterprise much older than twenty years. I just figured Morrow was talking about the refit configuration, and does some serious rounding up. Decker says the ship is almost totally new.
So she was launched 11 years after Pike was already commanding her in The Cage. Riiiiight. That doesn't sound at all improbable!
Ok, question. Is the Enterprise in "The Cage" supposed to be the same as the rest of TOS?So she was launched 11 years after Pike was already commanding her in The Cage. Riiiiight. That doesn't sound at all improbable!
It is labeled 'NCC-1701'.
Yes. She is the exact same Prime Universe USS Enterprise NCC-1701 Starship/Constitution-class ship. Throughout The Cage, WNMHGB, TOS, TAS, and in her refitted state through TMP, TWOK and TSFS. 'Captained' by Robert April (The Counter-Clock Incident), Christopher Pike (The Cage), James T. Kirk (WNMHGB, TOS, TAS…)
She is even the same in TOS-R…
April was never mentioned outside of TAS, as far as I know and Roddenberry decanonized the show. So the existence of April is really up to personal preference.
It doesn't look it.
Funny. Many shots of the pilot version are in TOS proper. So they have to look pretty similar.
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/23/23ee091f2b7f19aae24582503180828a6b68b3c840c6292aa2b52ecc9341cade.jpg
Enterprise shots from The Cage are used in the opening credits of every season of Star Trek TOS and in about a dozen episodes (or more).
Mind sharing that in the TOS section? I bet it will be a big hit there!
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Right. It's just a throwaway line, like most in Trek that refer to age or timespan. Never meant to be taken literally.
I've never worried about the little things. It's just not worth the trouble.
Thanks, all. I couldn't remember, but the "The Menagerie" would show the ship and it would have been commented on from the footage.
Yeah, we have footage of the Enterprise operating in 2254 in The Cage, and 2263 in WNMHGB. Her being 20 would mean launching in 2265, doesn't really work.
It was a poorly written line meant to be remark about trek itself having been around 20 years as of that film (1964 for The Cage, 1984 for TSFS).
I think only one shot from The Cage ever reappears outside of The Cage. The rest are the stock footage from Where No Man... You can tell because The Cage E was unlit.
Although stock footage from WNMHGB were used more often and in more episodes (than the The Cage shots), a shot of the eleven footer from The Cage was used in WNMHGB, in Menagerie Part 1 and about half a dozen other episodes. Shots of the three footer from the Cage were used in the titles and about a dozen more episodes if my memory serves me.
I know full well that The Cage was reused. Trust me, I know that. I'm referring to the ship model itself. Most of the shots from The Cage were never used again because the model itself was unlit. The only major exception is the shot that flies over the primary hull into the bridge. Which got used a number of times. Most notably in the barrier in WNMHGB.
I just rewatched the unremastered intros again just to make sure I wasn't out of my mind, and I don't honestly see any reused shots from The Cage. Except for maybe the "warp" shot of it coming towards camera in the season 1 version. The rest are very clearly the Pilot II version of the ship. Please correct me if i'm wrong though as I always find this stuff fascinating.
I believe that "warp shot" is the three footer and it's from The Cage. As for the eleven footer shot I'll rewatch a couple of episodes myself just to make sure my memory isn't deceiving me and I'll get back to you.
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