Not in any extremely noticeable way, and seeing as the the vessel is likely a subject of continual upgrades and improvements - some "in-universe" changes are quite likely anyway.
Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
- Thread starter Khan 2.0
- Start date
Even in a short time, I mean the ship is only 4 years old?
And in the last movie she was in deep space
And in the last movie she was in deep space
The various Navy folks on this board might be able to correct me, but I know upgrades and repairs are common on naval vessels, especially over a four year timespan. Remember the "look" of the various TV vessels rarely changes because models are expensive.
There is a huge difference between having a few upgrades and repairs between the years and having 3 separate ships in 3 movies.
http://s33.postimg.org/p72f7lvj3/enterprisebeyond.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/b2h98qylh/enterprisebeyond.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/6o5sqmry3/13775487_10154386819668826_8734015035428971211_n.jpg
http://s33.postimg.org/p72f7lvj3/enterprisebeyond.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/b2h98qylh/enterprisebeyond.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/6o5sqmry3/13775487_10154386819668826_8734015035428971211_n.jpg
The Enterprise-E never had a consistent appearance either, in all 3 movies she looked distinctly different. It was an even worse case as it literally was 3 completely different models (1 physical for First Contact never used again, a low pass CGI for Insurrection and a totally new one for Nemesis, with a massive Saucer section physical model for the ramming sequence).
Not to mention her literally having as many decks as they liked, 24 *and* 26 minutes apart in First Contact and 29 in Nemesis without changing on the outside. As well as the massive changes for Nemesis that likely saw half her plates off to do and possibly new nacelles/pylons the same as Beyond.
Whereas, the new 1701 had one CGI model worked on slowly and perfected over the 3 movies with less overall change.
So what's up with the Enterprise E not causing screaming in the streets if the minor tweeks to the Nu1701 are causing this much of a problem?
Oh that's right. The fandom must consider anything that happens in the new movies 5000x worse "just because".
Not to mention her literally having as many decks as they liked, 24 *and* 26 minutes apart in First Contact and 29 in Nemesis without changing on the outside. As well as the massive changes for Nemesis that likely saw half her plates off to do and possibly new nacelles/pylons the same as Beyond.
Whereas, the new 1701 had one CGI model worked on slowly and perfected over the 3 movies with less overall change.
So what's up with the Enterprise E not causing screaming in the streets if the minor tweeks to the Nu1701 are causing this much of a problem?
Oh that's right. The fandom must consider anything that happens in the new movies 5000x worse "just because".
I had to rapid click the images to see any differences. The neck changed and the nacelles moved/got slimmer.
Again, something that is hardly noticeable to folks not pouring over screen caps and diagrams.
You're talking about different CGI models in the case of the Enterprise-E whereas we're talking about different ships in the case of the nu1701.
The Enterprise-E had only one negligible change between the movies that even those of us who are "pouring over screen caps and diagrams" couldn't make out.
You are comparing this…
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/sovereign-oldnew.jpg
…with these:
http://s33.postimg.org/p72f7lvj3/enterprisebeyond.jpg
https://s32.postimg.org/b2h98qylh/enterprisebeyond.jpg
https://s31.postimg.org/6o5sqmry3/13775487_10154386819668826_8734015035428971211_n.jpg
I'm sorry, dude - those changes to the nuPrise aren't all that noticeable, and they can be easily explained away by even a neophyte like me.
I didn't say they aren't easily explained. I was just stating a fact: 3 ships in 3 movies. And for the record I love all 3 "JJprises" and wish to own as many models/replicas/toys get released.
Nope they are taking about different CGI versions of the ship. Just as there were different CGI versions of several ships done in Trek that all represented the same starship. I mean how many Voyagers have their been with differences in each of the CGI Renders used over the years?
Unless it's a truly dramatic change, most viewers won't have any idea about it.
That's what I said. I am talking about changes inuniverse and not changes during the production of the films and series. For instance the TOS Enterprise is the same ship as the TOS-R Enterprise although one is a physical model and the other is a CG rendering. They both represent the same ship. In the 3 Kelvin Timeline movies we had 3 different ships. The '09/Into Darkness ship, the refitted Beyond ship and the new Enterprise-A. Of course it looks the same to the general public. But that doesn't alter the fact that we have 3 different ships in 3 movies (and inuniverse in 5 years).
Of course we also had 3 ships between the 2 pilots and the TOS series, but (a) these changes were really negligible and (b) inuniverse they happened in the course of 12 years.
As far as subtle changes in the Enterprise's looks affecting the average movie goer goes, I wonder how many of them who saw ST09 and STID even really took notice of the new uniforms in STB.
The idea of any in-universe answer to it does tend to contradict the idea of the lonely five-year mission into deep space. Then again, they were mostly around colonies and star bases in familiar space in TOS, too. So maybe they weren't "out there" exploring quite as much as we'd think. I'd say the ship was modified at a star base around the same time they put in for an extended leave and that's when they also got the new uniforms. Works for me. Starfleet's version of FedEx delivered the things there from a ship yard, and the updates/modifications were made.
Since the Enterprise never really had a shakedown cruise in ST09, being immediately called into service, it's also likely so many modifications happened over such a short time because bugs were found as the ship was being used in service and modifications had to be done on the fly. No doubt Scotty proposed some changes, too. Also, technology seems to have advanced quicker in the new timeline, so technological changes would come about quicker, too. If the Enterprise is the flagship of Starfleet in this universe, then it stands to reason it would have the most updated equipment installed as soon as it was possible to install it.
The idea of any in-universe answer to it does tend to contradict the idea of the lonely five-year mission into deep space. Then again, they were mostly around colonies and star bases in familiar space in TOS, too. So maybe they weren't "out there" exploring quite as much as we'd think. I'd say the ship was modified at a star base around the same time they put in for an extended leave and that's when they also got the new uniforms. Works for me. Starfleet's version of FedEx delivered the things there from a ship yard, and the updates/modifications were made.
Since the Enterprise never really had a shakedown cruise in ST09, being immediately called into service, it's also likely so many modifications happened over such a short time because bugs were found as the ship was being used in service and modifications had to be done on the fly. No doubt Scotty proposed some changes, too. Also, technology seems to have advanced quicker in the new timeline, so technological changes would come about quicker, too. If the Enterprise is the flagship of Starfleet in this universe, then it stands to reason it would have the most updated equipment installed as soon as it was possible to install it.
I mentioned this in one of these Beyond threads, but I think we're supposed to pretend that Enterprise looks the same in Beyond as she did at the end of Into Darkness, since she was refit after being pretty badly damaged by Vengenace.
The uniform thing is easier to pull off, so the idea of obtaining them as part of a previous provisioning stop makes plenty of sense.
What was it, three years or so had elapsed in-universe between Into Darkness and Beyond? Plenty of time for the ship to undergo a major refit and redesign due to something that happened during that time.
I leave my explanations in the real world where they belong.
What the heck are you talking about.
I thought you were talking about the various changes made between the design of the ship used, apparently that issn't your point. apparently you believe that an additional Ship called Enterprise was made for Kirk and crew. That has not been shown to be the case.
There is (until the very end of Beyond) only one Enterprise that is used for the "Kelvin" universe. So we have had two ships. perhaps you think the scuttled the ship at the end of Into Darkness, but there is no mention of that in the film. I would assume it was repaired (just ass we see the Enterprise E getting repaired at the end of Nemesis, and that had huge chucks missing from its space frame.
I am talking about the changes in the same ship. I've never said anything about the building of an additional Enterprise.
As far as I'm concerned, the Enterprise had one refit at the end of Into Darkness, and we pretend it looked as it did in Beyond in that final scene with the speech, role call and warp jump.
The Enterprise-A is a new, more advanced model taking advantage of 3 years of R&D. Don't really see the problem with it looking a little different.
The Enterprise-A is a new, more advanced model taking advantage of 3 years of R&D. Don't really see the problem with it looking a little different.
Well, between Darkness and Beyond, three years in universe had passed and that's time enough for a few refits.
I know you could if you wanted to, I just don't see the need. I guess it's down to where each viewer's idea of what needs explaining and what doesn't meet.
Similar threads
