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I'M A MAN AND HAVE NO CONTROL OVER MY SEXUAL URGES! I MUST BE TITILLATED AT ALL COSTS!
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Yeah, Alice Eve's underwear scene was put in to the film because the writers really wanted to show the human everyday side to Carol Marcus and not to show boobies. Literally no sex appeal to it. Hell, they could have shown her butt naked, but it doesn't matter, because I'm a very mature man and she's just changing, nothing else to it.
Oh, and you're a raging sexist oppressive male who hates all women.
This place is absolutely unbearable. I'm done.
Oh, and you're a raging sexist oppressive male who hates all women.
This place is absolutely unbearable. I'm done.
I'm confused, how is people saying they wanted Uhura to play a bigger role in the story, and to have more agency misogynist and sexist?
Honestly, I was a little disappointed Uhura didn't get more to do in the Abramsverse movies. She definitely got a bigger role than Nicols did in TOS, but not as big of a role as I would have liked to have seen for TOS's most prominent woman. In STID it especially felt to me like she was mainly there as Spock's girlfriend, although she did at least get the scene with the Klingons.
Honestly, I was a little disappointed Uhura didn't get more to do in the Abramsverse movies. She definitely got a bigger role than Nicols did in TOS, but not as big of a role as I would have liked to have seen for TOS's most prominent woman. In STID it especially felt to me like she was mainly there as Spock's girlfriend, although she did at least get the scene with the Klingons.
Again: the same old "you talk about sexism, so you must be sexist"-argument. Next time: Martin Luther King was actually racist, because he couldn't stop talking about race, and Edward Snowden is actually a fascist, because all he talks about is the authority of the state...
BTW you are absolutely the only one here who can't distinguish between a character and the woman playing said character. I actually like Zoe Saldana as an actress, and I wish the writers would use her a little bit better.
As it stands, a show from more than 50 years ago, from an era that wasn't exactly known for equal rights, had a better handling of the same character...
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Don't worry. This is the internet. Where rampant sexism, racism, homophobic slurs and general nastiness is called "trolling", and anything voicing concerns makes you a "femnazi SJW". This place is comparatively tame. Remember: It's all just about ethics in gaming journalism...
Even though there have been counterarguments to the current discussion?
"I have deided to ignore all problems, therefore everyone who mentions any problems must be wrong" is not that great an argument...
What got lost a bit in this turmoil is, none of us actually hates Uhura, Zaldana, or the portrayal of her character in JJTrek. It's definetely not as bad as some other examples, like say the depiction of Megan Fox in the Bayformers franchise. But there is room for improvement for her character. A LOT of room for improvement. And Trek got a bit outdistanced in what was once it's own field by it's current, arguibly a bit more successfull competition. Pointing that out can understandably hurt a bit. But that's the only way to get improvement in this field.
What got lost a bit in this turmoil is, none of us actually hates Uhura, Zaldana, or the portrayal of her character in JJTrek. It's definetely not as bad as some other examples, like say the depiction of Megan Fox in the Bayformers franchise. But there is room for improvement for her character. A LOT of room for improvement. And Trek got a bit outdistanced in what was once it's own field by it's current, arguibly a bit more successfull competition. Pointing that out can understandably hurt a bit. But that's the only way to get improvement in this field.
That's funny. Even JJ admitted it was a mis-step on a late-night talk-show. Just like he admitted that he went overboard on lens-flare, since even his wife started complaining about it.
It's interesting how fans can be even MORE defensive than the creators.
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Well it is, after all, the phonetic middle syllable of her name.
I presume the Alice Eve underwear scene was included because it'd make good trailer raw material. You wouldn't see a Judi Dench type character get a scene like that, that's for sure.
I always try to not be ironic when I make psychological accusations of projection.
I liked how matter of fact the scene was. The way people go on, you'd think it was a slow motion striptease with the camera panning over her body inch by inch.
That is the essence of competition, after all. Challenging others to do better. If Star Wars did some things better, than it could be argued that it could improve Star Trek by demonstrating another way of going about it, rather than the same old, same old.
By the way, I don't think that anyone in the past couple of pages is arguing against Uhura or Zaldana. I think that there are differences in terms of the views on the character. I personally see her as more strong willed, and more proactive in terms of her skills, and don't immediately see her as "Spock's girlfriend." To me, such an argument is reductionist in terms of the goals of the film makers, and the final product.
Can be there be improvements? Of course there can, as Abrams and company have admitted. It would have been nice if there had not been a writer's strike during Star Trek 2009's production. Regardless, I think Uhura was portrayed well, had a lot to do, and was, as I have argued multiple times, among the more competent crew members.
tl:dr Could Uhura have been portrayed better? Probably, but that's how you learn!
I liked how matter of fact the scene was. The way people go on, you'd think it was a slow motion striptease with the camera panning over her body inch by inch.
The scene itself is not the problem. The problem is that it's one of basically only three defining character scenes for her.
The other two being "yanking a thingy out of a torpedo" (actually a good scene) and "pleading to daddy via teleprompter not to kill everybody" (nice performance, sadly no real relevance for the plot apart from turning her into a damsel in distress for the finale and, seriously, what the hell(?), having her face being overexposed with a lense-flare(!) During a close-ups of her face(!!) during her speech!)
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The post about "hating" Zaldana was in response to "If you don't like the woman fine, but pretending that your 'try too hard' hatred for her having agency like the guys is some sort of 'pro good role models for women' activism is a like a bad joke written by someone without sense of humor." by Malaika
To which I have added my serious discomfort with the characterisation of Uhura in the new movies. (Then again, that's far from being my biggest pet peeve with these alternate characterisations. The new version of Spock as somebody who looses his temper several time each movie and beats at least one person per movie to a pulp bothers me much more...)
But I like your matter-of-fact desciption of how you see nuUhura. And while I personally don't agree with that opinion, I can see were you got that from. There was definetely no mal-intent on the writers part, they clearly envisioned her as a "strong female character". I just think they failed in the execution. And that's the part were I am hopefull, because director Justin Lin actually has a good track record regarding female characters in a male oriented franchise with Fast & Furious.
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That Worf really gets around. When was his last STD test?
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