Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND

[ralph]

RED ALERT!

Source: TREKBRASILIS

First alien bad guy? A Jem Hadar?

Someone called 混沌的隊長 ‏@CaptainChaotika, on twitter, posted this photo.

He said: "Anybody heard anything about a new StarTrek Beyond trailer? I have it here on my server! "

He revealed site to download trailer ( https://www.trailerloop.de/movies/star-trek-3#trailer_1922)

He said this alien is similar a Jem Hadar (SO....Major Star Trek beyond plot leak guys!

you heard it here first!). And The trailer has rock music.

I ask him: Did you like trailer?
He said: unfortunately no. Although I hope it’s some kind of early version they uploaded by accident.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Me thinks we've just seen our first "Swarm soldier"

 

[EyalM]

Did anyone download it and can verify? I'm at work so can't...

 

[ralph]

Did anyone download it and can verify? I'm at work so can't...

It is not possible. Only a registered member. A video professional

 

[Malaika]

Did anyone download it and can verify? I'm at work so can't...

Same
Can anyone get it and see if it's legit before it gets removed?

 

[Malaika]

Did anyone download it and can verify? I'm at work so can't...

It is not possible. Only a registered member. A video professional

yeah, I just translated the page and it's for cinema operators and in a specific file format for them

 

[ralph]

I don't know why he saw similarities with Jem Hadar.
If this plot deals with Dominion, it would be very interesting, but not original.
Remember that the USS Enterprise (IDW comics) is in Delta Quadrant.

 

[Malaika]

I'm reading what the guy said over his twitter and he posted a pic of Sofia Boutella's character (he says she looks romulan but I don't see any connection with the romulan race beyond the tattoo (assuming it's tattoo) )

the guy said he didn't like the trailer because there is too much action and the background music is rock and doesn't fit with a trek movie for him.

eta:

I don't know why he saw similarities with Jem Hadar.
If this plot deals with Dominion, it would be very interesting, but not original.
Remember that the USS Enterprise (IDW comics) is in Delta Quadrant.

well, he also said Boutella looks romulan...

as for the comics, like I said in my other comment, I think the current comics probably have no (unfortunately) clue about the movie because Orci said he hadn't even read the script and he doesn't know about the story more than us the fans.
Orci is the writer who was working with Johnson in terms of giving him some clue about what happens in the movie but if Orci doesn't know, it's likely Johnson doesn't know either.
this sucks. I always read the comics and enjoy them, I hoped to get a countdown to star trek beyond comic arch like they did for stid...

 

[F. King Daniel]

https://mobile.twitter.com/captainchaotika
The Twitter of the guy who's seen it. The soundtrack is Sabotage by the Beastie Boys, which Kirk played as he drove his Dad's car in ST'09.

The Enterprise hasn't been changed externally

 

[Christopher]

It's not a mystery that I loved the first two movies and I'm worried that a new creative team could ruin everything I liked in them and make a movie that doesn't respect the story and the dynamics between the characters so far.
My only hope was that at least with some people from the first creative team still involved as producers, they could have some sort of control...but JJ was busy with star wars and Orci is a producer only in name here.

Movie series have changed creative teams in midstream before and it hasn't always been bad. The Wrath of Khan had a totally different creative team than TMP did, and while I find that disappointing, most people think it turned out okay.

Not even the comics have any connection to the movies anymore, unless Pegg decides to help Johnson now.

Well, it's not like the comics were ever all that faithful to the movies. Sure, Orci gave Johnson some rough notes about the movie plans, but Johnson often interpreted them in his own ways that were difficult to reconcile with what we eventually got in the movies. For instance, STID pretty clearly meant the scout ship obtained in "the Mudd incident" to be a reference to Harry Mudd, but Johnson inexplicably portrayed Mudd as a half-Bajoran woman. And the "After Darkness" storyline assumed that the Enterprise was relaunched very shortly after the events of the movie, because the writers weren't aware of the last-minute change in the film to set the final scene one year later.

So Orci's "oversight" of the comics was exaggerated. He was too busy writing and producing films and TV to be that hands-on with the comics, so his tenuous involvement was never really all that successful at ensuring consistency. And I'm sure somebody at Paramount or Bad Robot is still giving IDW notes, just like Paramount always gave notes to DC or Marvel or Malibu or whoever had the Trek license in the past. It's just going to be done by someone whose name isn't as familiar to the public, and maybe there will be one or two more degrees of separation between the filmmakers and the comics writers. But naturally there will still be some level of communication. So I don't see it making that much difference to the comics.

I'm reading what the guy said over his twitter and he posted a pic of Sofia Boutella's character (he says she looks romulan but I don't see any connection with the romulan race beyond the tattoo (assuming it's tattoo) )

If anything, she looks more like the Rigelians from Enterprise: "Demons"/"Terra Prime." Although she's presumably neither.

And that alien that someone compared to the Jem'Hadar also has sort of a Reman look, and even a touch of Cardassian with the orbital and cheek ridges. There have been hundreds of alien makeups in Trek over the decades -- any new mask-based alien is probably going to have features in common with earlier ones.

the guy said he didn't like the trailer because there is too much action and the background music is rock and doesn't fit with a trek movie for him.

Anyone familiar with movie trailers should understand that they aren't perfectly representative of the tone or content of the movies themselves. Of course the first trailer is going to be loaded with action and pop music to grab the attention of casual viewers. Later trailers will show more of the plot and dialogue, and the final one will probably give away most of the plot structure, because that's the routine formula used by the company that makes most movie trailers these days.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Oh man, just days away from that 1:25 trailer. Can't frelling wait.

 

[BillJ]

Oh man, just days away from that 1:25 trailer. Can't frelling wait.

+1

 

[Malaika]

It's not a mystery that I loved the first two movies and I'm worried that a new creative team could ruin everything I liked in them and make a movie that doesn't respect the story and the dynamics between the characters so far.
My only hope was that at least with some people from the first creative team still involved as producers, they could have some sort of control...but JJ was busy with star wars and Orci is a producer only in name here.

Movie series have changed creative teams in midstream before and it hasn't always been bad. The Wrath of Khan had a totally different creative team than TMP did, and while I find that disappointing, most people think it turned out okay.

Getting back to the way the tos movies were made is exactly the least thing I'd want for the reboot. I sure hope star trek beyond isn't 'the final frontier' of this reboot..

If I can be honest, the tos movies aren't exactly a good example here and kind of fit in what my worries about stb are because for the most part, the old movies feel like they are standalone movies rather than being part of a series of movies and thus an actual sequel of the previous ones (beside the search for Spock). I can give a pass to the old movies for not being too connected to each other and not always respect the integrity of the characters, but I couldn't do that with the reboot because the context is slightly different

Abrams' reboot was conceived as a series of movies linked together (might be wrong, but the old movies were never really conceived being like that, anyway) and thus this movie is supposed to be, after all, a sequel of the first two and part of a trilogy.
and my point is that with a new creative team, the movie might feel too different and ignore aspects I liked in the first two.
When I wrote this concern of mine here a little while ago some people told me to not worry because JJ, Orci&co were still involved so the movie couldn't be TOO different and would still continue what was done before.
well, Orci already said he doesn't know a thing about the movie no more than us the fans... Next, JJ will say he knows very little too because he was busy with star wars..

 

[Nerys Myk]

Not sure there was a plan in place for sequel when 09 was being made. Those involved no doubt hoped for a sequel, but nothing was set until the movie succeeded. Once that happened then they began work on STID. They pretty much followed the same path as the older films: one movie at a time.

 

[Malaika]

are we arguing about whatever star trek beyond is supposed to be a sequel of THIS trek and keep some sort of continuity for the characters?
I'd find it ironical since it's months some here are saying that we have nothing to worry about the new creative team changing everything because this still must be a sequel and follow the story so far.

Not sure there was a plan in place for sequel when 09 was being made. Those involved no doubt hoped for a sequel, but nothing was set until the movie succeeded. Once that happened then they began work on STID. They pretty much followed the same path as the older films: one movie at a time.

I can't google for the specific quotes right now, but actually, yes this was conceived (and said by the writers and some producer) as a trilogy from the start and they made the contracts for the actors accordingly. Orci once said they even thought about including a scene at the end of st2009 hinting that Khan might have been in the sequel.. JJ also confirmed they had some ideas for the characters that they saved for later movies.
Of course, like for other franchises, it would be a complete trilogy only if the first movie did well ...if the first movie hadn't been a success, we wouldn't get a sequel (ditto for stid and sb).
I never said that this was like The Lord of the Rings trilogy and thus filmed all together, of course they'd always make one movie at a time. This doesn't change the point that the movies are part of the same story and a trilogy (if it goes well, they can do other movies, of course)

 

[ralph]

 

[Christopher]

If I can be honest, the tos movies aren't exactly a good example here...

They weren't meant to be the exclusive example. There are many other instances where a series has changed hands, yet still had later movies turn out well. For instance, Thor: The Dark World had a different director and writers than Thor, and Iron Man 3 was from a different director and writers than the first two movies. There are no doubt other examples. The whole point of an example is to represent a larger group of items.

Abrams' reboot was conceived as a series of movies linked together (might be wrong, but the old movies were never really conceived being like that, anyway) and thus this movie is supposed to be, after all, a sequel of the first two and part of a trilogy.

But concepts evolve from their initial form. That's not a bad thing. If every writer's first idea were their best one, then writing would be one hell of a lot easier, let me tell you. Usually it's the other way around -- your best ideas have to be earned by slogging through a lot of trial and error and refinement and rethinking. So there is no sense in having loyalty to the earliest version of a creator's plans. Usually that's going to be the worst version, not the best.

Anyway, why are we so addicted to trilogies? They're not the only valid form of storytelling. Just because they're the popular formula, that doesn't mean that a trilogy is automatically a superior story to a duology and a standalone.

It seems to me that the goal of the Abrams films was to do an origin story showing the growth of the characters into the people we know from TOS, but that specific arc was not necessarily meant to follow a predetermined path over three movies. If anything, it's always seemed to me that the '09 film rushed to wrap up that arc by the end of the movie (since they didn't know whether they'd actually get the hoped-for sequels), so they created the implausible situation of Kirk getting promoted to captain just days out of the Academy; and then, in response to audience complaints to that implausible conclusion, they wrote STID in a way that would address that problem by having Kirk learn that he wasn't ready for command, but having him earn greater maturity and judgment over the course of the movie. (This is what I mean about writing being a process of trial and error and correction. A plan that doesn't change is a plan that can't work.) So that stretched the arc out from one movie to two.

But now I don't really see any need to drag that out for a third movie. The crew is in place, and they've started their 5-year mission. It makes sense for the third film to be an example of the mature crew undertaking that mission. That's the payoff to what the first two films set up.

and my point is that with a new creative team, the movie might feel too different and ignore aspects I liked in the first two.

It might; or it might introduce other elements that you will love. The unknown offers both positive and negative possibilities.

 

[Malaika]

my guess is Bones and Spock are surrounded here

something is off with the colors, on my notebook these pictures look like they have very cold tones and no reds. His face is almost grey and the tunic is a pale pastel light blue.
Sure hope the whole movie isn't like that.

maybe it's me but something about Spock's make up seems to be off and look less precise/polished, I can't put my finger on it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Not sure there was a plan in place for sequel when 09 was being made. Those involved no doubt hoped for a sequel, but nothing was set until the movie succeeded. Once that happened then they began work on STID. They pretty much followed the same path as the older films: one movie at a time.

I can't google for the specific quotes right now, but actually, yes this was conceived (and said by the writers and some producer) as a trilogy from the start and they made the contracts for the actors accordingly. Orci once said they even thought about including a scene at the end of st2009 hinting that Khan might have been in the sequel.. JJ also confirmed they had some ideas for the characters that they saved for later movies.
Of course, like for other franchises, it would be a complete trilogy only if the first movie did well ...if the first movie hadn't been a success, we wouldn't get a sequel (ditto for stid and sb).
I never said that this was like The Lord of the Rings trilogy and thus filmed all together, of course they'd always make one movie at a time. This doesn't change the point that the movies are part of the same story and a trilogy (if it goes well, they can do other movies, of course)

Contracts don't insure sequels. Most actors are contracted for multiple films in these sort of movies. That still translates to hoping the movies succeed rather than having concrete plans for three movies. Plenty of films have hint of sequels in them, but that doesn't mean there is an actual story in place for that film. Wanting to use Khan isn't the same as "Khan is agent for Section 31 who goes rogue".

STID is tangentially related to the story presented in 09, but the core of the film works independently of 09. It not like LOTR which tells a complete story over three films. Like STID, Beyond may carry over certain themes of the earlier films, Kirk's greenness or Spock & Uhura, but the story won't be a continuation of the earlier films. To my mind a true trilogy has to tell a complete story in three films and not be three films using the same setting and characters but telling different stories.

 

[Christopher]

something is off with the colors, on my notebook these pictures look like they have very cold tones and no reds. His face is almost grey and the tunic is a pale pastel light blue.
Sure hope the whole movie isn't like that.

It's probably the lighting for that particular planet.

maybe it's me but something about Spock's make up seems to be off and look less precise/polished, I can't put my finger on it.

It looks like he's meant to be a bit roughed up. There seems to be a scratch on his forehead.

Contracts don't insure sequels. Most actors are contracted for multiple films in these sort of movies. That still translates to hoping the movies succeed rather than having concrete plans for three movies.

Quite right. Actors are signed to an option for sequels, so that if the sequels are made, the studio knows in advance that the actors will be available. It's normal for contracts to include provisions for possible future scenarios that might not ever happen, just so that the parties have a plan in place for when or if those scenarios do occur. (E.g. a book contract would include a provision for movie rights or foreign translations, or a business contract would include a provision for one party's culpability if they fail to complete the promised work, or whatever.)

To my mind a true trilogy has to tell a complete story in three films and not be three films using the same setting and characters but telling different stories.

Actually, it's kind of the other way around. By strict definition, a trilogy is three complete works that collectively form a larger whole. A single story told in three parts like Lord of the Rings is not technically a trilogy, it's just a book (or movie) in three volumes. Of course, in actual usage the term is applied interchangeably to both.