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My disappointment, so far, is that I originally assumed that Dubai would be the set for a new never explored before planet with a new civilization. Instead it seems to be just a starfleet outpost where the prominence of humans compared to aliens might be a clue that we're still in earth.
So far from what it seems I don't get why they needed to go in Dubai, at all. But we will see...

Depends on how much of the movie is really spent there. The one thing we don't seem to see are any more aliens that look like Boutella's. Not sure if that means anything. We also have no idea about Elba's character (human or not). So there still could be some "strange new worlds," or at least people, involved.

To be honest, a lot of TOS took place in "familiar" space, but they still ran into a lot of interesting things.

If they filmed it all in a Jack In the Box in Encino, I'd be fine with it as long as the concept was interesting.

There are 4 different filming locations: Squamish, Kent Hangar, Pitt River Quarries and Dubai, but does not need to be the same planet.
We know nothing concerning the plot.
According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, there were over five hundred starbases located throughout Federation space and beyond.
USS Enterprise could have changed its course to the nearest base, why not?
In the original series, we saw a lot of it.

Calm down, Malaika.
 
It's unclear to me whether that was something concocted after the fact by Roddenberry, to commemorate the fact that Yorktown was the name for the ship in the original pitch for TOS.

it is generally accepted that 1701-A was actually the USS Yorktown, rechristened the Enterprise after the events of ST:IV to reward Kirk for saving Earth. Assuming that is the case, the physical ship was in service for at least a couple years probably before those events.

I have got it from Memory Alpha article.

"Gene Roddenberry, in a nod to his original name choice from 1964, suggested that the Yorktown was renamed USS Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek IV, explaining why the latter ship seemed to be launched so quickly at the end of the movie. The Next Generation fourth season writer's technical manual also indicated this to be the case. This was further validated when, in the Encyclopedia, Mike Okuda described the Yorktown in 2293 as the second ship to bear this name".

Yeah, that's perfectly in line with what I said. The question I have is, when did Roddenberry suggest that the Ent-A had been Yorktown, before or after TVH was written?

I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.
 
it is generally accepted that 1701-A was actually the USS Yorktown, rechristened the Enterprise after the events of ST:IV to reward Kirk for saving Earth. Assuming that is the case, the physical ship was in service for at least a couple years probably before those events.

I have got it from Memory Alpha article.

"Gene Roddenberry, in a nod to his original name choice from 1964, suggested that the Yorktown was renamed USS Enterprise-A at the end of Star Trek IV, explaining why the latter ship seemed to be launched so quickly at the end of the movie. The Next Generation fourth season writer's technical manual also indicated this to be the case. This was further validated when, in the Encyclopedia, Mike Okuda described the Yorktown in 2293 as the second ship to bear this name".

Yeah, that's perfectly in line with what I said. The question I have is, when did Roddenberry suggest that the Ent-A had been Yorktown, before or after TVH was written?

I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.

Yes. Look at this.

first-draft-of-gene-roddenberrys-star-trek
 
My disappointment, so far, is that I originally assumed that Dubai would be the set for a new never explored before planet with a new civilization. Instead it seems to be just a starfleet outpost where the prominence of humans compared to aliens might be a clue that we're still in earth.
So far from what it seems I don't get why they needed to go in Dubai, at all. But we will see...

Depends on how much of the movie is really spent there. The one thing we don't seem to see are any more aliens that look like Boutella's. Not sure if that means anything. We also have no idea about Elba's character (human or not). So there still could be some "strange new worlds," or at least people, involved.

To be honest, a lot of TOS took place in "familiar" space, but they still ran into a lot of interesting things.

If they filmed it all in a Jack In the Box in Encino, I'd be fine with it as long as the concept was interesting.


so far we're only seeing the extras there (beside the picture with Pine in that room) so it's hard to tell why the whole cast but Zoe Saldana is even needed there. Like you, I too have noticed there aren't any characters there who look like Boutella's race either.
I might have accidentally made the mistake, though, to assume that the alien planet the enterprise is supposed to visit is Boutella character's planet. Maybe it's not and maybe she's the only character of that race that we will see in the movie. She might be just a space pirate with her own ship that Kirk&Co meet on some planet ;)

however, I still find it weird that basically the whole cast is there including Keenser.. but Zoe Saldana apparently is not needed. She had implied over her facebook page that she wasn't really done with filming (but Quinto said, yesterday, that they wrap filming in Dubai so unless she joins them last minute, then she finished her shot in vancouver)
What kind of scene(s) would require the whole cast including the two new characters and Scotty's pet.. but not Uhura?
Is Uhura injured, perhaps?
Her staying on the ship alone while not unrealistic from an in universe perspective, it seems implausible to me narrative-vise that every single male character of the crew left the ship and Uhura is the only one apparently required to stay behind.


admittedly, editing can do miracles so it's still possible that Zoe will be 'there' in some indoor scene even if the actress wasn't in Dubai. But then I cannot understand what's the utility of having the whole cast there ..

(a friend of mine even suggested me that maybe not all the characters will be in those scenes but most of the actors were still asked to go to promote them filming in Dubai, and also to make it more vague which characters are really involved in those scenes in case spoiler images came out and people started to put things together. If JJ was still the director I'd find that idea more plausible :lol: - anyway if that was the case and some of the cast went there just to visit, so to speak, I could see Zoe possibly being unavailable since she has two babies to take care of and there is enough time for trek promotion later)


There are 4 different filming locations: Squamish, Kent Hangar, Pitt River Quarries and Dubai, but does not need to be the same planet.
We know nothing concerning the plot.
According to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, there were over five hundred starbases located throughout Federation space and beyond.
USS Enterprise could have changed its course to the nearest base, why not?
In the original series, we saw a lot of it.

Calm down, Malaika.

I guess some of us kind of automatically assumed that Dubai was the set for some new mysterious planet (persuaded by the initial rumors) so seeing the new pictures where it seems to be 'just' a starfleet outpost might be a bit disappointing, but probably it's more in terms of having to reconcile with a wrong assumption than anything else. But it's only related to Dubai and me kind of seeing that location as a good choice for an alien city, but really even if that location is not a new alien planet it doesn't mean there will be no new alien planet showed in the movie. I never said that.
Also, thinking about it even if it's a starfleet outpost or something like that, it can still be on a planet that is not earth and it can still make sense to choose Dubai whose 'landscape' is pretty futuristic.
 
I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.

It was. I already said that. ;)

Hey, I said it before all y'alls! No one reads threads anymore...

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=11310883&postcount=1879



I still find it weird that basically the whole cast is there including Keenser.. but Zoe Saldana apparently is not needed. ...
What kind of scene(s) would require the whole cast including the two new characters and Scotty's pet.. but not Uhura?

Maybe they're planning a surprise party for her.
 
Maybe Uhura dies on Planet Vancouver? :eek:


weeeeell, even in my worst expectations about Pegg when it comes to Uhura, killing the main female character to give even more screentime to the male characters isn't really an option I contemplated...
but everything is possible.
 
I still find it weird that basically the whole cast is there including Keenser.. but Zoe Saldana apparently is not needed. ...
What kind of scene(s) would require the whole cast including the two new characters and Scotty's pet.. but not Uhura?

Maybe they're planning a surprise party for her.

Maybe Uhura dies on Planet Vancouver? :eek:

Do you know that I thought exactly the same thing?
Or she is held prisoner by Elba.
 
Here's my $0.02:

This wreckage is a memorial to the U.S.S. Yorktown, lost in battle at this location (kinda like the U.S.S. Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor). And that this is actually foreshadowing the wreckage that we first learned about a few months ago (the viewscreen and circular corridors similar to the nuEnterprise.) I think the nuEnterprise is also going to crash and be destroyed like the Yorktown was.

Interesting. But if it's a memorial, why would people be running to and from it?

Yorktown crash recreation? Sorta like a Civil War re-enactment...

No, I doubt that. These movies tend to do everything for real and in 'real-time'. It's more exciting if we're seeing it 'live' isn't it? It heightens the stakes. :)
 
I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.

It was. I already said that. ;)

Hey, I said it before all y'alls! No one reads threads anymore...

http://www.trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=11310883&postcount=1879

I've no doubt that you were thinking it, but you didn't exactly say it. What you said:

Of course, Yorktown is the first obvious nod for the 50th.
 
Yeah, that's perfectly in line with what I said. The question I have is, when did Roddenberry suggest that the Ent-A had been Yorktown, before or after TVH was written?

I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.

Yes. Look at this.

first-draft-of-gene-roddenberrys-star-trek

Looking at some of the story ideas, I saw some story ideas that resemble "Conundrum" (TNG), "Tapestry" (TNG), some of "Angel One" (TNG), and "Deadlock" (VOY).
 
I wonder if the saucer is actually part of a wrecked starship that was moved to that location and built to fit into a larger modern building (that would be on the green screen on either side of it). The debris around it that so many of us believe is "too neat" is stylized to represent the real crash. Then, what we're seeing in the filming is the building itself coming under some kind of attack or whatever.

Those little six-sided figures and the benches in the courtyard seem to be aligned to link the saucer to the building across the courtyard. Quite a coincidence if the ship just happened to crash there. It would also seem odd that Starfleet would go to a crash site and build such a large building right next to it. The "exhaust vents" (those cylinders) in the courtyard could mean part of the building is under the courtyard.
 
HD version of the Yorktown memorial pic, where you can make out the names: https://instagram.com/p/8vpr9gKbBi/

Looks like there's a Blake's 7 fan among the filmmakers.

(8th name from the top, all the way to the left. Missing the first letter, but it's obvious who it is...)
Maybe not - there are several entries on IMDb for people who share that name.

Quite a few of the names seem to belong to people who are either part of the production crew and administrative departments for this film, or who worked on previous Bad Robot productions or on one or more of the Fast & Furious movies. Some others appear to be local people who contract with whichever projects are filming in the Emirates.

We've seen plenty of that kind of thing done before in Trek on big and little screens.
 
I wonder if it would be an advanced post of the Federation within an alien city. I see many people and civil aliens, but they appear to be local residents without specific function in Yorktown. Some of these people are dressed as if they were at some party or ceremony. I do not know if you understand what I mean. What is the function of a starbase? Unless it's a starbase as Deep Space Nine, a trading post.
 
I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.

It was. I already said that. ;)

Yeah, that's perfectly in line with what I said. The question I have is, when did Roddenberry suggest that the Ent-A had been Yorktown, before or after TVH was written?

I thought that the name Yorktown was actually GR's original name for the starship when pitching his show concept.

I could be wrong though and need to dig out my "Star Trek Memories" book.

Yes. Look at this.

first-draft-of-gene-roddenberrys-star-trek

Hey, thanks for the clarification, both of you :techman:

I just felt like it wasn't clearly stated, but I obviously missed some things.
 
Another theory.
This photo shows that some people are getting out of the saucer or moving away from it, but I don´t see an air strike or invasion by troops, or that the saucer has crashed at that time. would it be a terrorist attack by people of Sofia or Elba?


original.jpg
 
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Another theory.
This photo shows that some people are getting out of the saucer or moving away from it, but I don´t see an air strike or invasion by troops, or that the saucer has crashed at that time. would it be a terrorist attack by people of Sofia or Elba?


original.jpg

How could you see that the starship just crashed or did not? Its a static set... Who knows what will be CGI'ed into this scene?

A recent crash is the most probable cause of the evacuation. As I said before, the debris is too clean and it is scattered all over the new concrete floor of that plaza. Why should one built a place and a building to commemorate a starship crash and fill the plaza, where all the people walk, with debris?
 
Another theory.
This photo shows that some people are getting out of the saucer or moving away from it, but I don´t see an air strike or invasion by troops, or that the saucer has crashed at that time. would it be a terrorist attack by people of Sofia or Elba?


original.jpg

How could you see that the starship just crashed or did not? Its a static set... Who knows what will be CGI'ed into this scene?

A recent crash is the most probable cause of the evacuation. As I said before, the debris is too clean and it is scattered all over the new concrete floor of that plaza. Why should one built a place and a building to commemorate a starship crash and fill the plaza, where all the people walk, with debris?

ok, I thought of that too. It seems most plausible. And concerning Kent Hangar set? Is it another ship crash?
 
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