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I was intrigued by how much screen time Scotty got in STID. It was a lot.

Scotty was surprisingly prominent in the previous two movies, as a plucky comedy relief. I am hoping they want to even things out a bit by having him show some gravitas, and giving some of the other 2nd bananas more to do.

Also, the crescendo of Spock's scream is punctuated by the raging sound of the Vengeance screaming past the Enterprise. (Screaming for Vengeance anyone?)

I'm starting to think that Star Trek Vengeance would have been a much better title for STID.

The two moments that stick out the most for me in STID are Alice Eve's implausible striptease and Khaaaan! I can't think of any really good moments that compensated for these.

It's funny, people keep mentioning the Alice Eve thing but TBH I don't even really remember it. There are a lot of far more memorable moments in the movie (Pike dressing down Kirk, Khan killing Pike, Uhura facing off against a Klingon, Scotty drunk (again), McCoy operating on the missile, Ent crashing into SF, Spock beating the shit out of Khan).

I facepalmed at the scream. I guess it's Trek's version of Darth Vader's ridiculous "Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!"

*remembers*

Hahahahahahahahaha!!!

No, it's not as bad as that.
 
Same with the Enterprise underwater. A lot of people praise the Nibiru sequence as feeling like a classic Trek adventure, but there are so many other people whose sole reaction it is "Why was the ship underwater?" It's a minor detail, but it preoccupies people because it's incongruous, because it doesn't seem to make sense or serve a clear purpose.

On the contrary, it's purpose was pretty clear to me and a lot of other people: to foul up the rescue of the Nibirians so that Kirk would get in trouble. It completely ignored the already established capabilities of ship and crew to set up a visible pratfall that fueled the needs of the plot. And it did it in a completely obvious way.

It was done to show Kirk still wasn't mature enough to be captain. As far as ship capabilities go: the TOS Enterprise survived be shot around the Sun, going through the galactic barrier, swimming in protoplasm. Not sure water is somehow beyond its capabilities.

No, what was deliberately nerfed was the transporter. There was no need for the shuttle, let alone the Enterprise to even enter the atmosphere.

JJ Kirk did nothing that Prime Kirk would not have done, but the writers made it so that it wouldn't work for him. And they ignore their own continuity to do so.
 
On the contrary, it's purpose was pretty clear to me and a lot of other people: to foul up the rescue of the Nibirians so that Kirk would get in trouble. It completely ignored the already established capabilities of ship and crew to set up a visible pratfall that fueled the needs of the plot. And it did it in a completely obvious way.

It was done to show Kirk still wasn't mature enough to be captain. As far as ship capabilities go: the TOS Enterprise survived be shot around the Sun, going through the galactic barrier, swimming in protoplasm. Not sure water is somehow beyond its capabilities.

No, what was deliberately nerfed was the transporter. There was no need for the shuttle, let alone the Enterprise to even enter the atmosphere.

JJ Kirk did nothing that Prime Kirk would not have done, but the writers made it so that it wouldn't work for him. And they ignore their own continuity to do so.

Condition or application of the tech serves the purpose of the story. If it's time for certain pieces of equipment to malfunction, or not function properly under certain conditions, then so be it. The needs of the story outweigh the needs of the tech.

However, in fairness, what would this opening have been like?

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Enterprise in orbit of Nibiru.

Interior shot of Enterprise bridge:

KIRK: Spock?

SPOCK: It is just as I suspected, Captain. The supervolcano on Nibiru is about to erupt. When it does, it will plummet the world into a very long volcanic winter.

KIRK: Life forms?

SPOCK: The life forms on the planet are primitive humanoids who likely have just invented their own wheel. They are not equipped to deal with the conditions that will be created as the supervolcano's ash envelops Nibiru. Also, life form readings indicate that there is a native settlement just a few kilometers from the base of the volcano. They will not survive the opening seconds of the initial blast.

McCOY: How long do they have, Spock?

SPOCK: Less than seven minutes, Doctor. However, I must also point out that the Prime Directive prevents us from acting in this matter.

McCOY: The Prime Directive?! We're talking about billions of lives. Now sure, they might be on some backwater, no tech world in the middle of nowhere, but they are still lives!

SPOCK: I sympathize, Dr. McCoy, but emotional outbursts will not change the facts that our hands are tied by Federation law.

McCOY: Spock, you're about as inhuman and green blooded as they get.

SPOCK: Why, thank you, Doctor.

McCOY: (exasperated) Jim, we can't leave these poor bastards to that kind of fate!

SPOCK: Jim, as captain of this ship, you are bound to observe and uphold Federation laws.

KIRK: (pensive for a few seconds) In life, laws fall silent.

SPOCK: Sir?

KIRK: A positive twist on an otherwise morbid proverb I'd heard once before. Spock, what would it take to stop that volcano from erupting?

SPOCK: Were I not constrained by the Prime Directive, I could fashion a cold fusion device in a matter of minutes. It would, as you might say, be cutting it close. With our transporter, we could then beam it into the heart of the volcano. It would detonate as the volcano began its eruption, rendering the volcano inert. The most the Nibiru would see is a large cough of steam...still fairly hot, but otherwise harmless.

KIRK: See, Spock, you just solved your own dilemma.

SPOCK looks confounded.

KIRK: Spock, the natives won't see what we're doing.

SPOCK raises an eyebrow in consideration.

KIRK: No witnesses!

McCOY: The way you just put it, Jim, that scares me. (cocks his head with a brief, characteristic smirk) I like it.

SPOCK: Your logic is....sound, Captain.

KIRK: Mr. Spock, make your automatic ice cube. We're about to cool that hotheaded son of a bitch down.

SPOCK: Yes, sir. (moves off swiftly to start his work)

Exterior shot of the Enterprise over Nibiru. Even from orbit, we can see a plume of smoke on the planet's lush surface.

Exterior shot on the planet's surface. The native Nibiru tribe at the settlement near the supervolcano's base have gaping, blank expressions on their faces as the throat of the volcano belches a plume of smoke into the air.

Interior shot at a fabrication facility on the Enterprise. Spock hastily, but with precision, builds his giant ice cube.

Interior shot of the bridge:

KIRK: Chekov, time from Spock's last mark?

CHEKOV: Two minutes, seventeen seconds, Keptin.

SULU: (looking grim at Kirk and McCoy) They're not gonna make it, are they?

CHEKOV: Meester Spock'll come through.

UHURA: (at Spock's science station) Captain, registering ground shocks at the base of the volcano!

Just then, a voice sounds over the bridge intercom.

SCOTTY: Cap'n. Spock's here in th' transpor'er room wi' tha' giant block o' ice ye' ordered.

KIRK: Beam it into the heart of that supervolcano, now, Scotty.

SCOTTY: Aye, Cap'n. (a couple of seconds pass) It's sent.

Interior shot of supervolcano. The lava rages and surges, preparing to blast skyward, threatening doom all of Nibiru for decades to come.

At the local village, the ground trembles violently, and inexplicably as far as the primitive natives are concerned. Their tribal shaman begins holding up what appears to be a holy, sacred scripture, and bellows out a fearsome chant. The natives all drop to their knees, bowing, or swaying in supplication, solemnly repeating their shaman's chant.

Amidst the churning cauldron of fire, a shimmering glow appears on a rock in the middle of the fire lake. It resolves and materializes into a glowing blue device. It appears just in the nick of time as the lava around the device starts to spew upward. In reaction, the device explodes a gigantic blue aura.

Exterior in the local Nibiru village. A giant white plume of steam issues from the mouth of the supervolcano.

Interior Enterprise bridge: Everyone cheers.

KIRK: Congratulations, Spock. You just saved the planet.

CHEKOV: (turns to Sulu...and says discreetly) You owe me feefty credits.

SULU: (disbelieving) Whaaaat? I don't owe you feef---fifty credits. We didn't bet on anything.

CHEKOV: (chuckling) Vell, if ve deed bet, I vould have bet on Meester Spock...and you vould have owed me feefty credits.

SULU: Glad I'm not a betting man.

CHEKOV: Sure.... poker face.

Chekov and Sulu both shake their heads and laugh.

KIRK: Mr. Sulu, get us the hell out of here. We'll come back and do a ground survey at another time.

SULU: Aye, sir. Course plotted for "the hell out of here."

The natives, sensing the cessation of the tremors, look up from their most desperate prayers. The shaman looks up at the volcano. Unbeknownst to and unseen by the villagers behind him, he breathes a sigh of relief. Then he composes himself, and dramatically turns to face his followers. He barks something at them in their native tongue: something that intones "behold the mercy of Nibir!" The villagers cry out in praise to their god.

Fade to the shot of the top of the Enterprise, and pulling back as the Enterprise zips into warp.

Cue opening title: STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS

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Eh? :)

I tried to make it something that would (maybe) satisfy your tastes, Phantom....but I still prefer the opening as it was presented. :)

With the opening I just presented, conceivably Spock could still submit his report that, despite Kirk's compelling reasoning and direct orders, violated the Prime Directive. That could then lead to a bit more of a toned down version of the dressing down that Kirk and Spock get from Admiral Pike. Starfleet brass could still be peeved, and decide to take Kirk's ship away from him...and Into Darkness could still largely continue as it did from there.

Again though.... I still prefer the film as is.
 
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KIRK: (pensive for a few seconds) In life, laws fall silent.

SPOCK: Sir?

KIRK: A positive twist on an otherwise morbid proverb I'd heard once before.

That was good writing! :techman: ... Except for the above - I don't get the reference.


Remember that big build in Vancouver? Looks like it's a crashed Federation starship!

I'm gonna speculate that it's the Enterprise, that they separate the saucer and it's a Generations crash redux.

I was going to say it might be the wreck of the Vengeance, except of course this is several years into the 5YM. Damn, they keep crashing those starships, don't they?

If they did crash the Enterprise (and the saucer looks buckled), I don't see how they could continue the mission.
 
KIRK: (pensive for a few seconds) In life, laws fall silent.

SPOCK: Sir?

KIRK: A positive twist on an otherwise morbid proverb I'd heard once before.

That was good writing! :techman: ... Except for the above - I don't get the reference.

Thanks. Most kind. :)

I wanted to make a reference to the title of an episode of Deep Space Nine (which I realize takes place in the 24th century). The episode was called "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges". The translation is: "In War, Laws Fall Silent". So, for this, I wanted it to be a phrase that Kirk had heard before, and decided to turn it into something positive.... hence, "In Life, Laws Fall Silent". In other words, there were lives at stake, and the Prime Directive be damned. :) (I was really hoping to get even more impressive by having Kirk say it in Latin, but I didn't wanna botch it, and end up accidentally insulting someone's mother....sooooo... :D ) I probably could've had him say: "Inter Vide, Enim Silent Leges".

Obviously, later in the movie, he uses an unaltered proverb that Spock is much more familiar with: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." :D
 
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KIRK: (pensive for a few seconds) In life, laws fall silent.

SPOCK: Sir?

KIRK: A positive twist on an otherwise morbid proverb I'd heard once before.

That was good writing! :techman: ... Except for the above - I don't get the reference.

Thanks. Most kind. :)

I wanted to make a reference to the title of an episode of Deep Space Nine (which I realize takes place in the 24th century). The episode was called "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges". The translation is: "In War, Laws Fall Silent". So, for this, I wanted it to be a phrase that Kirk had heard before, and decided to turn it into something positive.... hence, "In Life, Laws Fall Silent". In other words, there were lives at stake, and the Prime Directive be damned. :) (I was really hoping to get even more impressive by having Kirk say it in Latin, but I didn't wanna botch it, and end up accidentally insulting someone's mother....sooooo... :D ) I probably could've had him say: "Inter Vide, Enim Silent Leges".

Obviously, later in the movie, he uses an unaltered proverb that Spock is much more familiar with: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." :D

Friend Martok! Why the PTB on the writing staff have not contacted you is beyond my understanding! :) Well written and very enjoyable! Good to "see" you and I hope all is well!
 
Thank you, Friend HIjol! That is most kind. :) Alas, I am just an anonymous nobody who tends to enjoy writing, even if it is only for examples of how some others might want to see the future of Trek. If by some strange chance though, someone in the writing PTB might like my work, I'll jump at the opportunity. But, if wishes were dragons, then dreamers would fly. ...but I usually find myself getting incinerated. :D

God, I can't wait to get a better computer and get iClone 6 PRO, 3DExchange 6 PRO, and Hit Film 3 so I can get back into animation.

I wanna do a massive redux of my first Captain's Logs Declassified story...this time with full sets and character interaction to go along with the starship battles. :)
 
KIRK: (pensive for a few seconds) In life, laws fall silent.
I don't get the reference.
I wanted to make a reference to the title of an episode of Deep Space Nine (which I realize takes place in the 24th century). The episode was called "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges". The translation is: "In War, Laws Fall Silent". So, for this, I wanted it to be a phrase that Kirk had heard before, and decided to turn it into something positive.... hence, "In Life, Laws Fall Silent". In other words, there were lives at stake, and the Prime Directive be damned. :)

Thanks for clarifying. I guess you could also have used a more familiar proverb, e.g. "Possession is nine tenths of the law" or even "The law is an ass".
 
Remember that big build in Vancouver? Looks like it's a crashed Federation starship!

I'm gonna speculate that it's the Enterprise, that they separate the saucer and it's a Generations crash redux.

My thought: Elba plays a Starship Captain who crashed his vessel who was attempting to do something to this particular planet which is the found out while Kirk and company attempt to rescue them. Taslim is his first officer. Boutella is a native who Kirk falls for. (Well, we kinda already speculated that part.)

Classic Trek story if I've heard one.
 
its got to be the enterprise. its the 3rd movie and is high time for another Ent to go down in flames - and like the way Kirk died and was then brought back in the same movie they'll have them get the 1701-A at the end of this one and will look like the movie I-VI Ent or TOS Ent (at least the exterior)

or not
 
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Another Starfleet ship out there would mean they weren't exactly "boldly going where no one had gone, before," but that's OK with me. Maybe this ship went on its five-year mission a few months or a year after the Enterprise did. Could be Elba and/or Boutella were crew on this ship (one of them doesn't necessarily have to be the captain).

I really hope it's not the Enterprise. I wouldn't want to think the ship couldn't even make it through its first five-year mission. That wouldn't look too good for Kirk, either, since part of his mythos (in fanon, anyway) is he was one of the few (if not the only) starship captains to bring his ship back from its five-year mission with it and the crew in one piece.
 
Another Starfleet ship out there would mean they weren't exactly "boldly going where no one had gone, before," but that's OK with me. Maybe this ship went on its five-year mission a few months or a year after the Enterprise did.

Or they're both out there at the same time. Uncharted space is big. It makes sense to send more than one ship to chart different parts of it. The TOS Enterprise was one of a dozen ships of its class, and it occasionally encountered other ships in distress, like the Constellation, the Exeter, and the Defiant. That doesn't negate the mission it was on. It just means it wasn't alone in that mission.
 
Except thry made a point in ID that the five year mission was a one-of-a-kind thing into uncharted territory, which the Enterprise was picked for.

Then again, the old Enterprise bumped into dozens of Federation ships and was meant to be on the same five year mission. Just one of those tropes, I guess.
 
If anything, I think after the fan backlash (and I do mean backlash) from STID, I would hope that they would get away from any tropes and references to Prime universe stories we saw in STID (i.e. - the Enterprise going down or being "the only ship in the quadrant." Space is big. Starfleet would do well to capitalize on the going where none have gone before. Yes, the Enterprise was the first to embark on a five year mission, as portrayed in Into Darkness. No reason a second or twelfth can't do it as well. This is supposed to be a new story. I'd rather see that then see the Enterprise go down again. Plus, she just got a shiny new coat of paint in STID. And some new impulse engines.

Also, imagine an opening very similar to Nibiru on Into Darkness, where you see hints of Starfleet officers running around, looking as they're doing something helpful, thinking maybe this is the Enterprise crew, talking about seeing the Captain and instead of Kirk, it's Idris frikkin' Elba. Then something goes terribly wrong. And his ship crashes, while the natives around them see them and what they're doing. Elba just broke the Prime Directive. And he and his surviving crew have been captured.

Smash cut to the title: "Star Trek Beyond"

That's an exciting opening. That, like the Kelvin, like Nibiru draws you in. Sure, so does the Enterprise crashing. But keeping the ship in the story makes it more interesting.
 
Except thry made a point in ID that the five year mission was a one-of-a-kind thing into uncharted territory, which the Enterprise was picked for.

Then again, the old Enterprise bumped into dozens of Federation ships and was meant to be on the same five year mission. Just one of those tropes, I guess.

Which often led to stories of a) the good intentions of someone gone awry, e.g. "Patterns of Force", b) accidentally affecting of a culture, e.g. "A Piece of the Action", or c) captains gone rogue, e.g. "The Omega Glory". In any case, Kirk and company had to make things right. So maybe STB is an A, B, or C type of story (and of course "D" must be offered, because "none of the above" should always be a choice).
 
Except thry made a point in ID that the five year mission was a one-of-a-kind thing into uncharted territory, which the Enterprise was picked for.

No, they said it was a new kind of mission that had never been attempted before. They never said that the Enterprise was the only ship that would be assigned to that new mission. Because why would it be? That would be silly. Space is a pretty big place. One ship can't explore very much of it.

Also, the press release said that Beyond took place "deep in the five-year mission." So it might be two to four years in -- plenty of time for Starfleet to send other ships out to join the Enterprise.
 
It would make sense that the idea for the five years missions would coincide with the building of more ships like the Enterprise to go on them.

I think what we're all talking around here is that while space did seem darn small from time to time in TOS, visiting planets where ships had been before, running into sister ships of the Enterprise, etc., that it still didn't mean that in this particular case (STB) the crew could be "out there" and very alone in uncharted space, with the nearest Starfleet ship many days or months travel away.

Not that it should matter either way. Let's just root for a good story.
 
Except thry made a point in ID that the five year mission was a one-of-a-kind thing into uncharted territory, which the Enterprise was picked for.

Then again, the old Enterprise bumped into dozens of Federation ships and was meant to be on the same five year mission. Just one of those tropes, I guess.

Which often led to stories of a) the good intentions of someone gone awry, e.g. "Patterns of Force", b) accidentally affecting of a culture, e.g. "A Piece of the Action", or c) captains gone rogue, e.g. "The Omega Glory". In any case, Kirk and company had to make things right. So maybe STB is an A, B, or C type of story (and of course "D" must be offered, because "none of the above" should always be a choice).


Maybe D is "Bread and Circuses". Combine a ST film with some fast-paced, in-your-face CGI gladiator action. Sounds like a win-win for the studios.

Remember that big build in Vancouver? Looks like it's a crashed Federation starship!

I'm gonna speculate that it's the Enterprise, that they separate the saucer and it's a Generations crash redux.

I was going to say it might be the wreck of the Vengeance, except of course this is several years into the 5YM. Damn, they keep crashing those starships, don't they?

If they did crash the Enterprise (and the saucer looks buckled), I don't see how they could continue the mission.

Perhaps it's the Enterprise-D on Veridian III. Some wormhole / time travel plot device, and ... presto! Instant William Shatner cameo for the 50th.

(I'm kidding, of course -- the "crashed starship" meme is actually getting a bit tired, unless it is discovered in this state and we don't have to watch it happen).
 
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